喜迎IDPA的新division - CCP (Compact Carry Pistol)

Wreak_Havok

We are happy to announce that the membership clearly told us that they wanted a Compact Carry Pistol (CCP) division. The full details of that division will be coming out shortly but competitors and MD’s can start making plans now. The division is based on ESP but the guns must fit an IDPA box with a ¼ inch plywood spacer inserted in the bottom of the box to reduce the box size. Barrel length may be no more than 4.1 inches and the magazine limit will be 8 plus 1 to help level the playing field. This division will use the 125 power factor as well. We are working with Rangelog to adjust the database so that it will accept CCP classifications earlier than the March 1st rulebook effective date to allow our members to get classified for matches this year.

如果不限制扳机重量的话，这就是个“短管ESP”组。
准备给我的MP9 Compact上APEX 2.5磅的competition kit，从此不再carry此枪

New rule book published:

8.2.4 Compact Carry Pistol Division (CCP)
8.2.4.1 Handguns permitted for use in CCP must:
8.2.4.1.1 Be semi-automatic.
8.2.4.1.2 Use 9 mm (9x19) or larger cartridges.
8.2.4.1.3 Barrel length of 4.10” (104.1 mm) or less.
8.2.4.1.4 The unloaded firearm with the heaviest magazine must weigh 37.00 oz. (1048.9 grams) or less.
8.2.4.1.5 The firearm with the largest magazine inserted must fit in the IDPA gun test box measuring 8 ¾” x 6” x 1 3/8” ( 222.3 mm x 152.4 mm x 34.9 mm.)
8.2.4.1.6 Start Condition:
8.2.4.1.6.1 Single action only firearms will start cocked and locked. (hammer cocked, safety engaged).
8.2.4.1.6.2 Selective DA/SA firearms will start cocked and locked or de-cocked. This is at the shooter’s discretion.
8.2.4.1.6.3 Double action, double action only, or striker fired firearms with a de-cocking lever or button will be de-cocked using the lever or button.
8.2.4.1.6.4 Double action, double action only, or striker-fired firearms may have a manual safety engaged at the shooter’s discretion.
8.2.4.2 CCP Permitted Features and Modifications (Inclusive list):
CCP firearms must comply with all Enhanced Service Pistol (ESP) features and modifications, and equipment restrictions, with the exception that there is no dust cover length limitations. Rule 8.2.2.3.1 does not apply.

Hohenstaufenz

If so...which one would you rather carry instead? Another MP9c?

Qoo

可以搞把 Shield 來 Carry, MP9C 就可以打 CCP 了

akula

看来现在流行中共啊

Vince

如果限制下扳机就可以一枪通用了了，那样应该就是最贴近实用的比赛了

jerseyv

hmm, perfect for m88a

DirectGG

Glock 26是10发的弹匣，3.42吋管。能算CCP组么？打IDPA要几个弹匣？加了pinky grip的弹匣可以吗？还是一定要求是原装的？

firexl

DirectGG 发表于 2015-1-19 16:30
Glock 26是10发的弹匣，3.42吋管。能算CCP组么？打IDPA要几个弹匣？加了pinky grip的弹匣可以吗？还是一定 ...

加pinky只要高度不超过5.75寸就行

DirectGG

firexl 发表于 2015-1-19 16:43
加pinky只要高度不超过5.75寸就行

谢谢！听说打IDPA至少要3个弹匣，对吗？

firexl

DirectGG 发表于 2015-1-19 16:54
谢谢！听说打IDPA至少要3个弹匣，对吗？

是的，不过减到8发最好多带一两个

DirectGG

firexl 发表于 2015-1-19 17:08
是的，不过减到8发最好多带一两个

谢谢！

firexl

我决定为此买CCP或者PPS或者P2ksk

DirectGG

firexl 发表于 2015-1-19 19:22
我决定为此买CCP或者PPS或者P2ksk

PPS原厂的弹匣是7发和8发的两个。对8+1的limit，7发的弹匣是不是亏了一发？

firexl

DirectGG 发表于 2015-1-19 19:36
PPS原厂的弹匣是7发和8发的两个。对8+1的limit，7发的弹匣是不是亏了一发？

我肯定会再买备用弹匣啊

gray

三大striker-fired枪厂(Glock, Springfield, S&W)现有9 mm枪型中，符合这个CCP组的最大型号分别是：

Length x Height x Width, Barrel length
G19：7.3 x 5.0 x 1.2， 4.0
XD9 full size：7.3 x 5.5 x 1.2, 4.0
M&P9 compact: 6.7 x 4.3 x 1.2, 3.5

从sight radius的角度来讲，M&P9 compact应该是最吃亏的。估计这个组的national match会是清一色的G19。

gray

Vince 发表于 2015-1-19 15:32
如果限制下扳机就可以一枪通用了了，那样应该就是最贴近实用的比赛了

希望如此，但是既然说是基于ESP组，应该是不限制扳机的。
太可惜了，本来可以有一个真正贴近实用CCW的组的。

OnePiece

gray 发表于 2015-1-19 23:46
希望如此，但是既然说是基于ESP组，应该是不限制扳机的。
太可惜了，本来可以有一个真正贴近实用CCW的组 ...

为啥不基于SSP组呢?

Wreak_Havok

OnePiece 发表于 2015-1-19 22:35
为啥不基于SSP组呢?

基于SSP也一样，SSP可以换扳机内部，像我不照样2.5磅的扳机打SSP么
ESP无非就是可以把外部也换一些部件。

CCP应该要求stock trigger才有意义，但是可以想像执行起来是非常麻烦，SO都得拿个trigger pressure gague到处量。。。

Wreak_Havok

如果真是要求everything stock, 这个wilson combat的CQB恐怕是CCP最好的选择了。。。简直是量身定制


Available Calibers: .45 ACP, 9mm, .38 Super
Magazine Capacity: 8 rounds (.45)
Barrel Length: 4"
Overall Length: 7.6"
Sight Radius: 5.7"
Height: 5.4"
Width: 1.3"
Weight Empty: 28.5 oz.
Weight Loaded: 37 oz.
Accuracy Guarantee: 1.5" at 25 yds
Professional-Size Aluminum Frame
Integral Light Rail
Weighs 14% Less Than A Comparable Steel Model
30 LPI High Cut Checkered Frontstrap
High-Ride Bullet Proof® Beavertail Grip Safety
Bullet Proof® Thumb Safety
3 ½# - 3 ¾# Crisp Trigger Pull
Contoured Magazine Well
G10 Starburst Grips
4" Carbon Steel Slide
Battlesight with Fiber Optic Front Sight
4" Stainless Match Grade Cone Barrel, Hand Fit

Wreak_Havok

新的rule book出来了，没有任何扳机限制，而且和ESP一样的改动都允许，这个明显就不可能是平常人carry的了嘛，还是比较脱离现实

8.2.4 Compact Carry Pistol Division (CCP)
8.2.4.1 Handguns permitted for use in CCP must:
8.2.4.1.1 Be semi-automatic.
8.2.4.1.2 Use 9 mm (9x19) or larger cartridges.
8.2.4.1.3 Barrel length of 4.10” (104.1 mm) or less.
8.2.4.1.4 The unloaded firearm with the heaviest magazine must weigh 37.00 oz. (1048.9 grams) or less.
8.2.4.1.5 The firearm with the largest magazine inserted must fit in the IDPA gun test box measuring 8 ¾” x 6” x 1 3/8” ( 222.3 mm x 152.4 mm x 34.9 mm.)
8.2.4.1.6 Start Condition:
8.2.4.1.6.1 Single action only firearms will start cocked and locked. (hammer cocked, safety engaged).
8.2.4.1.6.2 Selective DA/SA firearms will start cocked and locked or de-cocked. This is at the shooter’s discretion.
8.2.4.1.6.3 Double action, double action only, or striker fired firearms with a de-cocking lever or button will be de-cocked using the lever or button.
8.2.4.1.6.4 Double action, double action only, or striker-fired firearms may have a manual safety engaged at the shooter’s discretion.
8.2.4.2 CCP Permitted Features and Modifications (Inclusive list):
CCP firearms must comply with all Enhanced Service Pistol (ESP) features and modifications, and equipment restrictions, with the exception that there is no dust cover length limitations. Rule 8.2.2.3.1 does not apply.