进军Carry Optic! PPQ 4寸加红点

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kyle1988 发表于 2016-9-7 15:24
传说有不少optic red dot 把镜片震出来

這個玄乎了 一般都是紅點不work 我自己的就是打幾槍就不亮了 然後再開一槍或者按一下亮度就又亮了

bestsolution

好枪

Bodago

GARYPATAPON 发表于 2016-9-7 00:39
手枪装红点并不一定比铁瞄快,反而有可能会减慢首发速度.尤其是这种去掉贴瞄改变原来瞄准高度的. 不是co-wit ...

探讨探讨。改变瞄准高度和习惯这是一定的，没有练习惯的话半天找不到红点而首发变慢也是可以想见的。但最终如果瞄准变得简单了，那可不就是提高了连续射击的速度吗？红点就是为了近战连续射击快速瞄准，步枪手枪都是啊，精度反而并不比铁瞄强多少啊。

SW686Pro

赞一个，盼靶場报告。

kyle1988

Bodago 发表于 2016-9-6 20:22
有缘有缘还是不能不收拾，你看我这就省掉买一把新枪

不知道能不能重新ORDER 一个Q5 match slide?  这个价格我看论坛上有人说要团购Q5 slide

Bodago

kyle1988 发表于 2016-9-7 08:48
不知道能不能重新ORDER 一个Q5 match slide?  这个价格我看论坛上有人说要团购Q5 slide
...

这会儿新枪刚上市不知道有没有的卖，5寸的管单卖也是过了好久才行的。不过我建议还是直接买一把新枪得了，不管从哪个角度说。我买个slide加枪管以及上半身就各个小零件总共差不多花了差不多700多，然后160跑去上个座子，还不带下半身枪身这钱就够买把Q5的了 。而且如果常打比赛，也要考虑部件的磨损，有两把可以换着来。

Chris

我觉得不打open的比赛， 还是不要碰红点的枪好。 要不然瞄准习惯就变了.....

普通的铁瞄， 弄好了， 手枪25米打进一寸或者两寸没问题

再远了， 或者需要更加精射有步枪嘛。

Bodago

SW686Pro 发表于 2016-9-7 08:21
赞一个，盼靶場报告。

这周就去啊

Bodago

Chris 发表于 2016-9-7 08:57
我觉得不打open的比赛， 还是不要碰红点的枪好。 要不然瞄准习惯就变了.....

普通的铁瞄， 弄好了， 手枪2 ...

都说了要打Carry Optic的比赛嘛。

Chris

Bodago 发表于 2016-9-7 05:59
都说了要打Carry Optic的比赛嘛。

昂，我没看清楚哈哈
其实我最近也在考虑在枪上弄个红点之类的， 用来打远距离....

kyle1988

Bodago 发表于 2016-9-7 05:57
这会儿新枪刚上市不知道有没有的卖，5寸的管单卖也是过了好久才行的。不过我建议还是直接买一把新枪得了 ...

  我了个去  你这个前后 都一把Q5 match出来了。太贵了。  果然这是土豪枪。 不像glock 配件改装的零件都便宜一些。

Colt1911

红点是个好东西，真的指哪打哪。朋友一个大左轮加红点，25yard洞连洞

brucewayne

还是Q5毒

GARYPATAPON

Bodago 发表于 2016-9-7 03:49
探讨探讨。改变瞄准高度和习惯这是一定的，没有练习惯的话半天找不到红点而首发变慢也是可以想见的。但最 ...

步枪的近战和手枪的近战不是一回事啊.  关于瞄准这个,你想想你在交战情况用贴瞄瞄准25yd以上或者50yd以上的目标是多么困难的一件事? 而使用了红点 瞄准100yd都十分的轻松. 真要到手枪的那个近战距离根本都不用瞄, 套着打都能打中.

It is when the distance interval increases or when you need that
precise shot that we see a difference. Traditionally, shooters have
been taught to look hard at the front edge (specifically the very top
edge), but that, although it can be learned, is counter intuitive.
When using the RDS (Red Dot System), you look to the center of
the target and notice the dot as it reaches that spot. You look
precisely where you want the bullet to go, and not at the dot itself.
Of course you notice it, but never look specifically "at it" as you
would with a front sight unless the need exists for extreme
precision.

-Gabe Suarez

The shooter first sees the threat. Thus his focus begins down
range.
Then his pistol comes up and is physically aligned on target.
Remember at close range that is all you need.
If more is needed, the shooter’s visual focus must come back from
the threat to the front sight to use the sights correctly. Not only is
this counter-intuitive under combat stress, but it is exceedingly
more and more difficult to do well as we age.

Bodago

GARYPATAPON 发表于 2016-9-7 14:37
步枪的近战和手枪的近战不是一回事啊.  关于瞄准这个,你想想你在交战情况用贴瞄瞄准25yd以上或者50yd以上 ...

如果说到竞技射击的手枪近战指的是7到15 yard距离快速射击并命中目标有效部位，那就是不停的啪啪啪换弹夹啪啪啪同时打中盘子大小A 区，当然必须瞄准啊。铁瞄需要两点连线，红点只需一点，哪个更快？

GARYPATAPON

Bodago 发表于 2016-9-7 12:28
如果说到竞技射击的手枪近战指的是7到15 yard距离快速射击并命中目标有效部位，那就是不停的啪啪啪换弹夹 ...

所以之前说的是不一定更快嘛, 用普通铁瞄是可以track front sight的, 而直接加在rear sight 上没法这样而且也彻底改变瞄准习惯,用起来肯定不如co-witness的快而且也不容易上手.

The main difference between a red dot on a rifle and a red
dot on a pistol is that the red dot on the rifle doesn't move very
much when shooting, but it does on the pistol. This is simply due
to the natural differences in weapons. The iron sight method of
"tracking the front sight on recoil" is not possible with the red dot.
This is not a problem when firing two or three shots...only when
someone is trying to do a magazine dump at warp speed. That
said, since the iron sights are in the usual place, you can use the
front sight to get back on the red dot if you should lose it.


The irons serve as "runway lights" to get the eye where it needs to
be to pick up the red dot. The traditionally positioned iron sights
are analogous to the stock on the rifle for this purpose. Attempting
to do away with sights, or to place the sights in anything other than
the rearmost position on the slide is the mark of someone who has
not thought the matter through, or is taking a manufacturing
shortcut.

-Gabe

Hohenstaufenz

Great post!
I wouldn't recommend the Vortex Viper for a carry handgun, as the activation of this reflex sight does require the user to push on the side button. It's highly impractical in any critical situation. With that being said, I would highly recommend the new Sig Sauer Romeo 1 reflex sight to any friends here who plan on carry a defensive handgun with a reflex sight on top of the slide. This Sig Romeo 1 has the latest design and circuitry system, allowing Motion sensing auto turn-on function, which is an absolutely must-have function for any defensive handgun. In the meantime, this new sight will auto shut-off in 15 minutes given no movement or change in momentum. Together, the motion sensing capability of this design extends the battery life over 30,000 hours. It also uses a top-loading design for battery replacement, which allows the end users to replace battery without having to re-zero the gun.

Last but not least, the Sig Romeo 1 has a much larger lens with much less color distortion/tint compared to the popular Trijicon RMR or Vortex Viper. The green tint on the Trijicon RMR can be annoying for some users, as the color distortion will prevent target acquisition in certain context, such as having a green background.

Anyway, I would highly recommend people to look into the Sig Romeo 1 handgun reflex sight!

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QuiMi

Chris 发表于 2016-9-7 07:57
我觉得不打open的比赛， 还是不要碰红点的枪好。 要不然瞄准习惯就变了.....

普通的铁瞄， 弄好了， 手枪2 ...

以手枪自身的精度，２５码都进不了一寸吧？两寸都难。

Chris

QuiMi 发表于 2016-9-8 08:16
以手枪自身的精度，２５码都进不了一寸吧？两寸都难。

看什么手枪， 什么样的弹

现在我手里拿来打production的枪，5寸管子， 用hornady hap的弹头， 4.5 gr ap70 火药。 站姿25米慢慢打，进一寸不难。