论加共手枪长枪在车内的合法性

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jazzman 发表于 2017-3-23 08:35
加州loaded mag 肯定不行。有CCW的人把槍放車上都要下子彈的。

2nd this

记得加共DOJ有过解释，弹匣是枪的一部分，弹匣里有弹也算loaded

helloterran

Laou168 发表于 2017-3-23 18:46
哪里有一定要空弹匣的法律条文？
我从来没看过。

a firearm is considered loaded when there is a live round of ammunition " . . . in, or attached in any manner to, the firearm, including, but not limited to, in the firing chamber, magazine, or clip thereof attached to the firearm . . . "

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吃人鲨鱼 发表于 2017-3-23 22:07
"同一个空间里“ 不算 "attached to the fire arm"

nonono, 你的理解完全反了，原文的意思是弹匣也是枪的一部分，弹匣里有弹就是枪里有弹，就是loaded。

弹匣放在哪里，根本不重要。

helloterran

吃人鲨鱼 发表于 2017-3-25 08:11
知不知道啥叫“thereof attached to the firearm”

你看懂了么？

magazine也是firearm的一部分，ammo in mag = ammo attached to firearm

ammo in chamber = ammo attached to firearm

ammo duct-taped to slide = ammo attached to firearm

helloterran

Sabernoavalon 发表于 2017-3-26 23:26
这个意思难道不是弹匣和枪有接触才算loaded了么。。
thereof attached to the firearm
有连接才算？

thereof 形容clip，因为clip是装弹工具，一般不看做firearm的一部分，但是clip如果插在装弹口上，那么"attached to firearm",也算loaded

其余几种情况，都是直接的ammo in firearm，属于loaded

再说一遍
magazine IS part of firearm for the purpose of determining a loaded firearm

ammo in mag == ammo in firearm.