Police officer justified in fatal mall shooting of 'EJ' Bradford: Alabama AG

sig2013

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/police ... ews-topstories.html

黑人CCW，拔枪自卫，被警察误杀。
警察免于起诉。

doublepar

看看监控视频。

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/su ... -mall-1437711939925

unplug

所以遇到这种情况首先是躲，不要拿枪到处找匪徒，他背向警察还拿枪，太像逃跑的匪徒了。死得冤

idee

Don't they need to "positively identify the target" before shooting him dead?

doublepar

idee 发表于 2019-2-6 15:04
Don't they need to "positively identify the target" before shooting him dead?

Yes, they did. And it is "consistent with his training and nationally-accepted standards for ‘active shooter’ scenarios".

doublepar

unplug 发表于 2019-2-6 13:49
所以遇到这种情况首先是躲，不要拿枪到处找匪徒，他背向警察还拿枪，太像逃跑的匪徒了。死得冤 ...

https://www.al.com/news/birmingh ... I7_5GpB4Vn7G31oMMco

“They did not say whether he fired any shots at all, but said he was involved in the initial altercation and brandishing a firearm.”

他也不完全是打酱油的路人。

idee

doublepar 发表于 2019-2-6 16:18
Yes, they did. And it is "consistent with his training and nationally-accepted standards for ‘act ...

how can you positively identify a person w/o looking at his face

doublepar

idee 发表于 2019-2-6 18:03
how can you positively identify a person w/o looking at his face

你开枪自卫前还要先搞清对方的姓名年龄身高体重三围性别种族性向教育程度阶级成分？

QuiMi

这案子的教训是，不见鬼子不挂弦（电影“地雷战”经典台词），也就是不见歹徒不出枪。只有危急迫在眉睫的时候拔枪就射，射完立即入套。枪在手上就是警察叔叔的目标。

双筒

doublepar 发表于 2019-2-6 22:44
你开枪自卫前还要先搞清对方的姓名年龄身高体重三围性别种族性向教育程度阶级成分？ ...

我觉得idee说的identify是指警察应该确认目标是不是真的是个threat，现在警察的做法/说法，就是只要你拿着枪出现在枪击事件现场就是threat，用这样逻辑的话警察应该先一枪把自己打死，因为他们自己也是一样。。。

doublepar

双筒 发表于 2019-2-6 21:11
我觉得idee说的identify是指警察应该确认目标是不是真的是个threat，现在警察的做法/说法，就是只要你拿 ...

地板帖的 identify the target 和七楼的 identify a person 不是一个意思吧？

idee

doublepar 发表于 2019-2-6 19:44
你开枪自卫前还要先搞清对方的姓名年龄身高体重三围性别种族性向教育程度阶级成分？ ...

I don't need to know his education. I do need to know if he's the bad guy or not.

ca1903

双筒 发表于 2019-2-6 21:11
我觉得idee说的identify是指警察应该确认目标是不是真的是个threat，现在警察的做法/说法，就是只要你拿 ...

枪击事件进行中，拿枪的便衣警察也很可能被制服警察干掉。即使另之手高举警徽也不见得管用。

双筒

ca1903 发表于 2019-2-7 14:00
枪击事件进行中，拿枪的便衣警察也很可能被制服警察干掉。即使另之手高举警徽也不见得管用。
...

对啊，所以这更像是个制度问题，体制问题，systematic flaw。 警察必须有更强的意识，identify their target before they shoot。 如果平民被这样的要求去做，I don't see why not the police should be required to practice that same discipline...

doublepar

idee 发表于 2019-2-7 09:40
I don't need to know his education. I do need to know if he's the bad guy or not.

这就对了。

jhe123

教训就是看见警察就躲远点，抱着敬鬼神而远之的态度就对了。另外千万别想着去帮警察的忙啥的，即使他就要被打死在你面前，你也应该赶快跑开，警察的事情和你完全没关系，除非是你自己需要警察的帮助。