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发表于 2015-12-17 11:16 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
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YES, IT’S TRUE: USA Today, ACLU join NRA in opposing gun bans for “No Fly” list names

How often do the ACLU and USA Today agree with the NRA when it comes to guns?

Not often.

When it comes to various proposals to ban gun sales for law-abiding folks who share a name that appears on the “NO FLY” list, the USA Today and the ACLU are on the same page as the NRA.

The ACLU opposes using “NO FLY” list names to prohibit gun purchases.


Until the No Fly List Is Fixed, It Shouldn’t Be Used to Restrict People’s Freedoms

(ACLU) – The No Fly List is in the news this week, just in time for the ACLU’s argument in federal court on Wednesday in its five-year-long challenge to the list’s redress process.

Last night, in response to last week’s tragic attack in San Bernardino, California, President Obama urged Congress to ensure that people on the No Fly List be prohibited from purchasing guns. Last week, Republicans in Congress defeated a proposal that would have done just that. “I think it’s very important to remember people have due process rights in this country, and we can’t have some government official just arbitrarily put them on a list,” House Speaker Paul Ryan said.

There is no constitutional bar to reasonable regulation of guns, and the No Fly List could serve as one tool for it, but only with major reform. As we will argue to a federal district court in Oregon this Wednesday, the standards for inclusion on the No Fly List are unconstitutionally vague, and innocent people are blacklisted without a fair process to correct government error. Our lawsuit seeks a meaningful opportunity for our clients to challenge their placement on the No Fly List because it is so error-prone and the consequences for their lives have been devastating.



And the USA Today:


Should no-fly mean no buy?: Our view

Using a secret and sloppy list to take away a constitutional right is a bad idea.

In his speech Sunday after last week’s gun massacre in San Bernardino, Calif., President Obama demanded that Congress “make sure no one on a no-fly list is able to buy a gun. What could possibly be the argument for allowing a terrorist suspect to buy a semiautomatic weapon?”

On the surface, the issue does seem like a no-brainer. Delve deeper than the sound bites, however, and it’s a lot more complicated.

…Last year, a federal judge found government management of the list unconstitutional, ruling that the way people get put on the list with no notice, and no meaningful way to get off if they’re on by mistake, violated the Fifth Amendment guarantee of due process. That forced the administration to begin changing things.

…Like it or not, the Supreme Court has ruled that Americans have a Second Amendment right to buy and own guns, subject to reasonable regulation. Such regulation should include universal background checks and bans on sales of military-style assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. But denying a constitutional right for certain citizens, based on  a secret government list, just doesn’t meet the test of American values.

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发表于 2015-12-17 11:28 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2015-12-17 11:54 | 只看该作者
This bill also comes as a new poll shows most people - for the first time in 20 years - oppose an assault weapons ban.

http://www.langerresearch.com/wp ... unsandTerrorism.pdf
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发表于 2015-12-17 12:00 | 只看该作者
“再美好的理念也敌不过“人的自私基因”;绝对民主,绝对动乱(分裂);无限民主,无限动乱(分裂)!”
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发表于 2015-12-17 12:13 | 只看该作者
面朝靶道,噼里啪啦
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从明天起,做一个幸福的人
复装、速射,拼装AR
从明天起,关心枪支和弹药
我有一个靶场,面朝大山,噼里啪啦
从明天起,和每一个亲友通信
告诉他们我的幸福
那幸福的闪电告诉我的
我将告诉每一个人
给每一条AK每一把AR取一个温暖的名字
陌生人,我也为你祝福
愿你有一个灿烂的枪柜
愿你收尽天下好枪
愿你坐拥天下好弹
我只愿面朝靶道,噼里啪啦
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发表于 2015-12-17 12:26 | 只看该作者
主要是 no fly list (secret government list) 太有爭議了,連左派自己人都無法接受
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发表于 2015-12-17 12:35 | 只看该作者
这证实了一个问题:有些左X自己,或者他/她的保镖也在这个list里面。
我是空白签名档
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发表于 2015-12-17 13:09 | 只看该作者
那一对好像不在no fly list 上
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发表于 2015-12-17 14:42 | 只看该作者
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“再美好的理念也敌不过“人的自私基因”;绝对民主,绝对动乱(分裂);无限民主,无限动乱(分裂)!”
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发表于 2015-12-17 19:58 | 只看该作者
这是什么时候开始有的 LIST 大家一下子就质疑了!O8的政策越来越反动了!!
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