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发表于 2015-1-6 11:38 | 只看该作者 |只看大图 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
看到township的gun code 中有这么一条:

Can't own "Semi-automatic action, rifles with a detachable or fixed magazine with a capacity of fifteen (15) or more rounds."

我一直搞不太明白这个是指 semi automatic rifle capable of using a >15 round magazine, 还是指 semi automatic rifle with >15 round magazine attached.

比如说, 我有个AR15 , 5 round magazine, 这个算不算被禁的这一类。
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发表于 2015-1-6 12:01 | 只看该作者
AR-15 with 5 or 10 rnds Mag is OK.
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发表于 2015-1-6 12:21 | 只看该作者
"比如说, 我有个AR15 , 5 round magazine, 这个算不算被禁的这一类。"


可以有
不算被禁

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发表于 2015-1-6 12:24 | 只看该作者
我想是指两者一起。只要你没有>l5的弹匣就应该没事。
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发表于 2015-1-6 12:25 | 只看该作者
skokie不用指望。。。。
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ccwpapago 发表于 2015-1-6 12:21
"比如说, 我有个AR15 , 5 round magazine, 这个算不算被禁的这一类。"

厨子县禁ar的。
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 楼主| 发表于 2015-1-6 12:29 | 只看该作者
我上CCW的时候Instructor是这样说的,虽然 cook county 是禁的,可是如果township 不禁的话就可以有。
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cjw065 发表于 2015-1-6 12:29
我上CCW的时候Instructor是这样说的,虽然 cook county 是禁的,可是如果township 不禁的话就可以有。 ...

skokie确实是home rule comunity。但是我不确定cook的list是哪年定的,你们是哪年定的。to be safe,跟我搬出厨子县吧还是。
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 楼主| 发表于 2015-1-6 12:51 | 只看该作者
Found something online:

The CC AWB and mag limit applies to all of Cook County UNLESS you live in a home-rule unit. The home-rule unit's own rules, laws, and regulations TRUMP CC law in regards to AWB and mag limit. You might be surprised to find out that most incorporated municipalities in Cook County ARE home-rule units. This is the reason why CC mag limit is 10 rounds BUT Chicago allows up to 12 rounds.
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 楼主| 发表于 2015-1-6 12:53 | 只看该作者
I think this one is a much better explanation, it is rather long so if you don't live in Cook county Illinois, there is no need to read it.

Cook does not seem to WANT to 'push it' with their assault weapons ban unless the weapon was used to commit a crime or in furtherance of 'criminal activity', probably out of concern with what will happen when the AWB is challenged in a prosecution of a citizen who otherwise bought the firearm legally, resides in and possessed it in a home rule town, but did not use it in any criminal act.
There are very limited cases that a Cook Deputy would even come into contact with such person(s) to begin with outside of a eviction or process service.

Under the BHAWB, the Cook County Board directly cloned the text directly from the Illinois Constitution regarding the rights of Home Rule Units, which is the majority of towns in Cook County and most of its landmass - http://www.ilga.gov/...on/lrb/con7.htm

The state constitution says that a Home Rule law or ordinance overrides a County law or ordinance, except under a very limited set of circumstances,
but it can be interpreted to imply that this requires OVERT action by the Home Rule Unit. The BHAWB text says, straight from the IL Constitution, that any Home Rule unit within Cook can opt out of the BHAWB, not because they want this to happen or would CHOOSE to permit this 'opt out', but because its the only possible way they can attempt to exert control over Home Rule Units in such a manner that would be permissible under our constitution.

That all said - No one (Home Rule) that I am aware of in Cook County has actually passed any local ordinance to exempt themselves from Cook's BHAWB.

Sterling Codifiers contracts to write/maintain the local codes and ordinances for many Illinois Home Rule units, and I found this link that lists many of the links to the towns and cities in Illinois that they contract with-
http://www.sterlingcodifiers.com/IL/

County-Level Law enforcement has no direct impact or contact with most residents in these Home Rule units or with Gun Stores or Ranges in such Home Rule towns that are dealt with by Home Rule zoning and ordinances.
In a N.W. Cook Town Range/Shop that sells AR-15's, Ak-47's, and allows any variety of 'Assault' rifles and hi-cap mags to be fired on a range in that town, no changes to any city code or weapons ordinance have been enacted since the BHAWB to exempt those within that town from the BHAWB.

It is really more of a uneasy peace than it is a clearly defined issue of legality in Cook County Home Rule units, and you need to understand that, as how matters are enforced or dealt with may be different in different circumstances or contacts.

Whether Cook County REALLY wants to fight it out over their AWB, as far as defending legally a assertion that they can impose this law on home rule citizens within their town of residence in cases where the town did not act to pass a deliberate ordinance exempting themselves from the AWB is not a decided or settled matter, and can still result in charges and litigation if they wanted to make a arrest and pursue the matter.

The biggest worry for Cook in this matter would be a concern that if they intervene without any invite into Home Rule Law Enforcement matters within these Home Rule units, they can be held liable for the costs of a lot of other matters and services by any town who now asserts that the Cook County Sheriff has adopted this liability by taking control in their internal LE matters.

The other main concern for Cook is obviously that arresting a non-criminal who merely OWNED a otherwise legal firearm and did not get arrested in the commission of a property or violent crime, would trigger a legal challenge to the law and a examination that they likely could lose over whether the County Board can impose LE obligations onto home rule units that did not themselves seek to enact such restrictions.

If you are getting evicted or served with process by a Sheriff's deputy (which would result in a Sheriffs deputy coming into a Home Rule LE Unit) or are in some other manner coming into contact with a Sheriffs deputy or even a Home Rule local LE who acts to enforce the provisions of the BHAWB, it is NOT a settled matter that you are legally able to ignore the provisions of the AWB inside of a Cook County Home Rule unit,
and no one should be dispensing advice to lead anyone to that conclusion.

If NOTHING ELSE.. I would not be at all surprised to see the potential for cases where the seized weapon is not returned to a resident of a Home Rule Unit who possessed the weapon inside that Home Rule Unit, even if criminal charges are not pursued resulting in the loss of a costly piece of property, which is in and of itself a severe expense.

All in all, nothing in any Cook Home Rule unit is really a settled matter on this issue until someone litigates the matter after being arrested in a test case where someone with a valid FOID and no other related criminal charges is charged and taken to trial for possessing a banned 'Assault' weapon or mag within the confines of a Cook Home Rule unit that did not actively pass a law exempting their jurisdiction from said ban.. and to my knowledge that has not happened yet.
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cjw065 发表于 2015-1-6 12:53
I think this one is a much better explanation, it is rather long so if you don't live in Cook county ...

这么说来Evanston也是有戏的了。倒是wilmette看起来没希望了。
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alex 发表于 2015-1-6 12:51
skokie确实是home rule comunity。但是我不确定cook的list是哪年定的,你们是哪年定的。to be safe,跟我 ...

Skokie 是去年pass 的。
搬家是不行的了, 拖家带口的,不像你说走就走的潇洒。
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cjw065 发表于 2015-1-6 13:06
Skokie 是去年pass 的。
搬家是不行的了, 拖家带口的,不像你说走就走的潇洒。
看到3 deng的AK心痒痒的 ...

我一样得卖房子啊。
但是家庭成员齐了的话我是不会住厨子县的。
一会给警察局打个电话。。。。
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 楼主| 发表于 2015-1-6 13:13 | 只看该作者
俺俩凑钱把3 灯 的AK拿下,夏秋放俺家,冬春放你家。
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cjw065 发表于 2015-1-6 13:13
俺俩凑钱把3 灯 的AK拿下,夏秋放俺家,冬春放你家。

俺对AK没兴趣。。。。
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alex 发表于 2015-1-6 12:25
厨子县禁ar的。

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不算
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我觉得即可以有magzine >=15 rounds, 也可以有AR15, 但这两者不能装在一起。
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cjw065 发表于 2015-1-6 13:06
Skokie 是去年pass 的。
搬家是不行的了, 拖家带口的,不像你说走就走的潇洒。
看到3 deng的AK心痒痒的 ...


看起来evanston真的可以。木哈哈哈哈。
http://gapersblock.com/mechanics ... ssault-weapons-ban/

如果在新的ccw law去年出来之前有ordanance的应该都可以。之后的话就没戏了。
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alex 发表于 2015-1-7 09:38
看起来evanston真的可以。木哈哈哈哈。
http://gapersblock.com/mechanics/2013/07/16/symbol-or-model-e ...

准备买个AR玩玩?
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