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[新闻案例] 恶性杀人事件被防止:负责任的德州家长

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2014年4月28,星期一

德州,San Antonio

17岁高中生,从家里出走。
家里人发现其出走,并发现家里少了三把枪(AK, .45手枪, .22手枪)。在确定孩子在学校里后,家长来到学校。
家长和校方在和对他的闻讯中,要求搜查他的背包。发现了两把上膛的枪和刀。
家长问他第三把枪在哪里。
第三把枪在厕所的垃圾桶里找到了。

负责任的家长制止了恶性杀人事件。





SAN ANTONIO — A Madison High School student was taken into custody Monday after weapons were found in his backpack, which caused the school to be locked down, police said.

The school was placed on lockdown around 10:15 a.m. By 11:28 p.m., the lockdown had been lifted and the school released the students back to their classes.

The male student, 17, had three loaded guns and a 12-inch knife, said Aubrey Chancellor, a spokeswoman for North East Independent School District. One of the guns was an AK-47, one was a 45-caliber and one was a .22 caliber, Chancellor said. The student had additional magazines in his backpack, she added.

It is unknown whether he was planning a mass shooting, but Chancellor said he told district police that he intended to make some demands over the intercom system, although she did not know what those were. He told authorities that “if the demands were not met, he had planned on committing violence,” Chancellor said. She did not know whether he had a history of violence or mental health issues.

“Everyone is safe,” Chancellor said.

The student, who will be charged as an adult, likely faces charges of making terroristic threats and being in possession of weapons in a prohibited area. It was not immediately known how many counts he would face.

The student's parents had reported him as a runaway that morning and arrived at the school after it was determined that he was there, Chancellor said. During a meeting with school officials and their son, the student's parents asked that his backpack be checked, Chancellor said. After finding two loaded guns and the knife, his parents asked him where the third gun was, Chancellor said.

“So it seems at this point that the guns came from the student's home,” the district spokeswoman added.

The third gun was found in a trash can in the bathroom.

Police and K-9 officers were at the school, which is in the 5000 block of Stahl Road.

“Obviously, we'll continue talking with him to determine what his full intentions were,” Chancellor said. “Right now, we're just thankful that whatever he had planned was averted.”

Classes continued after the lockdown was lifted about 11:30 am, but a crowd of parents lined up to pick up their teenagers.

Parents said they were worried after hearing that between four and seven students had brought the loaded guns -- a rumor that Chancellor said was false.

Daisy Aleman, whose daughter Brittany Arizola is a sophomore, received an automated call just before 11 a.m. notifying her that the school was on lockdown. The call did not specify the reason for the lockdown, but Aleman found out about the loaded guns through social media.

“I was shaking,” said Aleman, who had kept Brittany home from school Thursday, after someone sent an email to Northside Independent School District officials threatening that a mass shooting would occur that day at an unnamed school.

When an announcement was made over loudspeakers Monday that the school was on lockdown, Brittany thought it was a drill. She, like many other students, sent text messages to her mother, and learned from text messages and social media that someone had brought loaded guns.

Freshman Katie Hunt, 15, said she and her entire class spent 50 minutes in a supply closet during the lockdown. The entire class was on their phones and Katie was also constantly in text message communication with her mother, Kim Hunt.

Kim Hunt said the threat from last Thursday jumped immediately to her mind.

“Sure they're going to say they're going to do it one day, but they're really not going to do it, and I feel that today was the day,” Kim Hunt said.

Kim Hunt went to collect her daughter as soon as she heard she could do so.

“It was just crazy,” said Katie through tears as her mother walked her out of school. “You couldn't believe it happened.”

Despite the rumor mill, students said they did not know who was arrested. Some students said they hoped the school would ramp up security and maybe install metal detectors.

“I just hope it's not a friend, because you would think your friends are good, safe people,” said Natalee Northcutt, 16, a sophomore.

Chancellor said that while she understands parents instinctually want to pick up their children when they're notified of a lockdown, that school officials recommend they not swarm the campus.

“It's certainly upsetting to receive one of those messages and parents instincts, of course, is to go get their child,” she said. “But police are there and they need to be able to do their job as efficiently as possible with as few distractions, which is why we ask parents to remain calm and know their children are safe but to not go to the school.”

Chancellor said that students have brought weapons to the high school in the past but noted that high schools in other school districts have also had to contend with similar safety concerns.

The incident comes days after an anonymous person threatened via email to carry out a mass shooting at a school. The email, sent to several employees of Northside Independent District elementary schools, said the shooting would take place last Thursday. Schools were placed on heightened alert, but no such incident took place.

Although the San Antonio Police Department determined that the threat was not credible, hundreds of parents kept their students home. School districts, which are partly funded by the state through average daily attendance numbers, lost millions in attendance revenue.

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发表于 2014-4-28 15:09 | 只看该作者
太幸运了,熊孩子及时被发现和制止!
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发表于 2014-4-28 15:16 | 只看该作者
反枪派会说,要是家长没枪,熊孩子也就不会拿家长的枪去学校了
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-4-28 15:21 | 只看该作者
firexl 发表于 2014-4-28 18:16
反枪派会说,要是家长没枪,熊孩子也就不会拿家长的枪去学校了

这个说法有一定的道理,可是
  • 一个想报复的孩子会用其他手段来报复社会;
  • 三亿多的守法的美国人民就被剥夺了拥枪的权利,在坏人侵犯他们的时候也相应地手无寸铁了。


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赞家长反映,看来有熊孩子的家里很必要有枪柜啊,即使没有用原厂带的锁锁起来也是有点效果的
For Skeet: 1-Head on gun, 2-Eyes on target, 3-Proper lead
For trap:See bird, shoot bird!
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Vince 发表于 2014-4-28 15:31
赞家长反映,看来有熊孩子的家里很必要有枪柜啊,即使没有用原厂带的锁锁起来也是有点效果的 ...

不一定没有
如果家长认同孩子自己在家也需要保护自己啊, 会让他知道枪柜密码的
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-4-28 16:12 | 只看该作者
tuziwang 发表于 2014-4-28 19:09
不一定没有
如果家长认同孩子自己在家也需要保护自己啊, 会让他知道枪柜密码的
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是这个道理。对家人的心理评估也是必要的。
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TFollowerII 发表于 2014-4-28 16:12
是这个道理。对家人的心理评估也是必要的。

是的,要多和小孩交流啊
虽然我觉得挺难的
就像上次有人要精神病医生向权力机关报告如果病人有杀人倾向。。。
当时采访过一个精神病医生说是没那么简单, 很多灰色地带
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tuziwang 发表于 2014-4-28 16:09
不一定没有
如果家长认同孩子自己在家也需要保护自己啊, 会让他知道枪柜密码的
...

熊孩子岂不是没法治了
For Skeet: 1-Head on gun, 2-Eyes on target, 3-Proper lead
For trap:See bird, shoot bird!
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TFollowerII 发表于 2014-4-28 16:12
是这个道理。对家人的心理评估也是必要的。

有时候天天相处的家人也会做出令人难以置信的事情。所以虽然没有经过我的同意,我儿子不会动我的枪,但我还是不告诉他箱子的密码,他也表示理解。
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-4-28 16:26 | 只看该作者
tuziwang 发表于 2014-4-28 19:21
是的,要多和小孩交流啊
虽然我觉得挺难的
就像上次有人要精神病医生向权力机关报告如果病人有杀人倾向 ...



病人的杀人倾向的出现可能是没有预警。

恶性杀人事件被制止: Orrville一元店 里说的
5分钟前还是好好的. But something went wrong in his mind, and 5 minutes later he was dead
但是,如果家里人有精神问题,那么我认为换密码是必要的。
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Vince 发表于 2014-4-28 16:23
熊孩子岂不是没法治了

如何治,我没有答案
如果你问我原因为啥熊孩子要杀人放火, 做违背天理的事情
我的回答就是先天遗传基因(硬件), 后天精神状况(软件), 所谓精神健康, 如果和娃交流的时间少
更谈不上从小言传身教了
我觉的硬件占了主导, 但是后期吃药也是问题
我猜想这个娃是不是也是吃抗焦躁的药的


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TFollowerII 发表于 2014-4-28 16:26
病人的杀人倾向的出现可能是没有预警。

见 恶性杀人事件被制止: Orrville一元店 里说的

RE
这就是为啥说杀人与否没有黑白分明的一道界限
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还真别说,我有一朋友他的nova扳机不能击发,本来好使,把mag tube里面的limiter拿出来以后就不击发了, 带到沙漠里我们摆弄了一下也没摆弄明白。
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SemperFortis 发表于 2014-4-28 17:12
还真别说,我有一朋友他的nova扳机不能击发,本来好使,把mag tube里面的limiter拿出来以后就不击发了, 带 ...

海军回错帖了吧。
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aerostar 发表于 2014-4-28 17:26
海军回错帖了吧。

恭喜你答对了
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这个案例家长能免于起诉吗?
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-4-28 19:40 | 只看该作者
xchen57 发表于 2014-4-28 22:18
这个案例家长能免于起诉吗?

prosecutor是不会犯众怒惩罚一个防止了恶性杀人的家长的。而且家长也没有什么具体的失误不是么?算不上negligence吧?
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大概在一周前,SAN ANTONIO 的学校收到电子邮件,声称周四要从北区的学校开始杀起,搞得北区学校周四停课,

我媳妇在别的区教学,校方还是照常上课,有几位家长就表示不会送孩子来上课,周四那天校外增加了警力, 但p事儿没有。  

我就想,要是不爱学习的孩子想学校停课,匿名发个恐怖袭击邮件就可以了吧~

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wild_horse 发表于 2014-4-28 23:29
大概在一周前,SAN ANTONIO 的学校收到电子邮件,声称周四要从北区的学校开始杀起,搞得北区学校周四停课, ...

我记得好像现在大部分电邮现在应该都能够back trace到是谁发的。

另外,赞最后一段对于高级犯罪手段的警惕。
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