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[枪械知识] Lead-lapped bore 不锈钢枪管如何break in?

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发表于 2014-5-1 12:00 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
前两天跳了那个PSA的deal,想想既然是ss了,还是breakin一下吧。

网上搜了一下,好像各种说法都有,有的说打5发清膛一次,有的说打一发就要清一次,总共打多少发也有不同的说法。那位大牛/灰牛能指点一下吗?

另外,breakin用的枪油有什么说头没?R的CLP可以吗?还是Hoppe的No9比较好?

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发表于 2014-5-1 12:07 | 只看该作者
Lap过了还用breakin吗?
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-5-1 12:18 | 只看该作者
brucewayne 发表于 2014-5-1 12:10
似乎不需要break in
http://www.rainierarms.com/misc/novekse_barrel_care.pdf

wk那太爽啦!
还在想打一枪就得擦一次岂不是很不爽,呵呵
世界上有两件事最难:
一是把自己的思想装进别人的脑袋里;二是把别人的钱装进自己的口袋里。

前者成功了叫老师,后者成功了叫老板,两者都成功了叫老婆
PS:温馨提示,跟老师斗是不想学了,跟老板斗是不想混了,跟老婆斗是不想活了。。。
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-5-1 12:26 | 只看该作者
brucewayne 发表于 2014-5-1 12:10
似乎不需要break in
http://www.rainierarms.com/misc/novekse_barrel_care.pdf

hmm,这个好像直接说所有枪管都不需要breakin。。。
世界上有两件事最难:
一是把自己的思想装进别人的脑袋里;二是把别人的钱装进自己的口袋里。

前者成功了叫老师,后者成功了叫老板,两者都成功了叫老婆
PS:温馨提示,跟老师斗是不想学了,跟老板斗是不想混了,跟老婆斗是不想活了。。。
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gtgfish 发表于 2014-5-1 15:26
hmm,这个好像直接说所有枪管都不需要breakin。。。

是的
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发表于 2014-5-1 14:39 | 只看该作者
Gale McMillan曾经在网上这么说过:

As a barrel maker I have looked in thousands of new and used barrels with a bore scope and I will tell you that if every one followed the prescribed [one shot, one clean] break-in method, a very large number would do more harm than good. The reason you hear of the gain in accuracy is because if you chamber a barrel with a reamer that has a dull throater instead of cutting clean sharp rifling it smears a burr up on the down wind side of the rifling. It takes from one to two hundred rounds to burn this burr out and the rifle to settle down and shoot its best. Any one who chambers rifle barrels has tolerances on how dull to let the reamer get and factories let them go longer than any competent smith would.

Another tidbit to consider--take a 300 Win Mag that has a life expectancy of 1000 rounds. Use 10% of it up with your break-in procedure. For every 10 barrels the barrel-maker makes he has to make one more just to take care of the break-in. No wonder barrel-makers like to see this. Now when you flame me on this please [explain] what you think is happening to the inside of your barrel during the break in that is helping you.

Consider this: every round shot in breaking-in a barrel is one round off the life of said rifle barrel. No one has ever told me the physical reason of what happens during break-in firing. In other words what, to the number of pounds of powder shot at any given pressure, is the life of the barrel. No one has ever explained what is being accomplished by shooting and cleaning in any prescribed method. Start your barrel off with 5 rounds and clean it thoroughly and do it again. Nev Maden, a friend down under that my brother taught to make barrels was the one who came up with the [one shot one clean] break-in method. He may think he has come upon something, or he has come up with another way to sell barrels. I feel that the first shot out of a barrel is its best and every one after that deteriorates [the bore] until the barrel is gone. If some one can explain what physically takes place during break-in to modify the barrel then I may change my mind. As the physical properties of a barrel don't change because of the break-in procedures it means it's all hog wash. I am open to any suggestions that can be documented otherwise if it is just someone's opinion--forget it.

It all got started when a barrel maker that I know started putting break-in instructions in the box with each barrel he shipped a few years ago. I asked him how he figured it would help and his reply was if they shoot 100 rounds breaking in this barrel that's total life is 3000 rounds and I make 1000 barrels a year just figure how many more barrels I will get to make. He had a point; it definately will shorten the barrel life. I have been a barrel maker a fair amount of time and my barrels have set and reset benchrest world records so many times I quit keeping track (at one time they held 7 at one time) along with High Power, Silhouette, Smallbore national and world records and my instructions were to clean as often as possible preferably every 10 rounds. I inspect every barrel taken off and every new barrel before it is shipped with a bore scope and I will tell you all that I see far more barrels ruined by cleaning rods than I see worn out from normal wear and tear. I am even reading about people recommending breaking-in pistols. As if it will help their shooting ability or the guns'.

http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/Barrel_BreakIn.asp

总结:Breakin纯粹是为了多卖管子和清理用耗材的屁话

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heavypanzer 发表于 2014-5-1 17:39
Gale McMillan曾经在网上这么说过:

As a barrel maker I have looked in thousands of new and used barr ...

一根管子只能打3000发?
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brucewayne 发表于 2014-5-1 14:51
一根管子只能打3000发?

没说口径,有些口径比3000少的多得多
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waterapple 发表于 2014-5-1 18:42
没说口径,有些口径比3000少的多得多

太可怕了
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对于枪管break in一直很有争议,我愿意相信不用break in,因为这样我方便省事,哈哈
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-5-1 19:53 | 只看该作者
akula 发表于 2014-5-1 18:56
对于枪管break in一直很有争议,我愿意相信不用break in,因为这样我方便省事,哈哈 ...

好吧,如果你那个比我贵10倍的都不打算搞,那我也不z turn了
世界上有两件事最难:
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著名射手Germán A. Salazar写了一篇非常深刻的关于barrel break in的文章,推荐阅读:

http://riflemansjournal.blogspot.com/2010/11/equipment-barrel-break-in.html
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PSA的管子怎么折腾都是白搭,某人的lead lap不锈钢管子,打手装但超过1.5MOA

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 楼主| 发表于 2014-5-5 06:55 | 只看该作者
flyingspur 发表于 2014-5-4 23:05
PSA的管子怎么折腾都是白搭,某人的lead lap不锈钢管子,打手装但超过1.5MOA

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世界上有两件事最难:
一是把自己的思想装进别人的脑袋里;二是把别人的钱装进自己的口袋里。

前者成功了叫老师,后者成功了叫老板,两者都成功了叫老婆
PS:温馨提示,跟老师斗是不想学了,跟老板斗是不想混了,跟老婆斗是不想活了。。。
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