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关于精神病人拥枪的法律

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发表于 2014-5-25 16:37 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 sig2013 于 2014-5-25 17:34 编辑

基本上,联邦和各州关于精神病人拥枪都有法律限制:
“Possession of a Firearm by People with Mental Illness”
http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/possession-of-a-firearm-by-the-mentally-ill.aspx

不知为何在这次加州案件中,警方接到家人汇报但没去收枪。(当然,该凶手同时也用刀杀了三人,收枪也不能避免他作案)

联邦法律:
Under 18 U.S.C. § 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”

加州关于精神病人拥枪的法律限制:
A person is barred from possessing, purchasing, receiving, attempting to purchase or receive, or having control or custody of any firearms if the person:

  • Has been admitted to a facility and is receiving in-patient treatment for a mental illness and the attending mental health professional opines that the patient is a danger to self or others. This prohibition applies even if the person has consented to the treatment, although the prohibition ends as soon as the patient is discharged from the facility;
  • Has been adjudicated to be a danger to others as a result of a mental disorder or mental illness or has been adjudicated to be a mentally disordered sex offender. This prohibition does not apply, however, if the court of adjudication issues, upon the individual’s release from treatment or at a later date, a certificate stating that the person may possess a firearm without endangering others;
  • Has been found not guilty by reason of insanity of enumerated violent felonies. A person who is found not guilty by reason of insanity of other crimes is barred from possessing firearms unless a court finds that the person has recovered his or her sanity;
  • Has been found mentally incompetent to stand trial, unless there is a subsequent finding that the person has become competent;
  • Is currently under a court-ordered conservatorship because he or she is gravely disabled as a result of a mental disorder or impaired by chronic alcoholism

A person shall not have in his or her possession or under his or her custody or control, or purchase or receive, or attempt to purchase or receive, any firearms whatsoever or any other deadly weapon for a period of six months whenever he or she communicates to a licensed psychotherapist a serious threat of physical violence against a reasonably identifiable victim or victims. Licensed psychotherapists are required to immediately report to a local law enforcement agency the identity of a person who has communicated a serious threat of violence against a reasonably identifiable victim or victims (see § 8105(c)).

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发表于 2014-5-25 16:49 | 只看该作者
Asberger's好像不算mental illness.
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SemperFortis 发表于 2014-5-25 19:49
Asberger's好像不算mental illness.

Asperger是ASD的一种,最近有个研究说
‘Significant’ statistical link between mass murder and autism, brain injury

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ne ... s-including-autism/

不过我觉得这件事情里很多emotion,biased towards action。(CNN上有个死者的父亲不blame凶手,骂起NRA就是一件让人不理解的事情)
他们常谈拥枪权利,那(我儿子)克里斯的生存权呢?
这哪跟哪呀。
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TFollowerII 发表于 2014-5-25 16:52
Asperger是ASD的一种,最近有个研究说
‘Significant’ statistical link between mass murder and autis ...

我觉得那人就是属于被洗脑了的
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发表于 2014-5-25 17:37 | 只看该作者
SemperFortis 发表于 2014-5-25 19:49
Asberger's好像不算mental illness.

但是我不知道ASD算不算"mental illness"。

就怕无限制地扩大打击面。搞到最后要问神经病大夫决定一个人是否能拥枪。

mental illness有投票权么?除了2A,其他权利有没有被剥夺的?
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-5-25 17:49 | 只看该作者
TFollowerII 发表于 2014-5-25 17:37
但是我不知道ASD算不算"mental illness"。

就怕无限制地扩大打击面。搞到最后要问神经病大夫决定一个人 ...

现有的法律限制,我看就够了。
这个案例中,警察似乎不够仔细。
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sig2013 发表于 2014-5-25 20:49
现有的法律限制,我看就够了。
这个案例中,警察似乎不够仔细。

我觉得这小子智商应该不错。有很强的迷惑性。警察觉得他挺有礼貌:
警察面试但是把他放了Shifman says the director's family called police several weeks ago after being alarmed by YouTube videos "regarding suicide and the killing of people." The lawyer said police conducted an investigation and interviewed the young man. Shifman said police did not find a history of guns, but did say the man had trouble making friends.
神经病Yesterday his dad’s attorney, Alan Schifman, said Rodger had been seeing “multiple ­therapists” and had “highly ­functional Asperger’s syndrome”. His mum had contacted police after his recent disturbing video posts online. Officers interviewed him and found him to be “polite and kind”.
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-5-25 18:08 | 只看该作者
TFollowerII 发表于 2014-5-25 17:57
我觉得这小子智商应该不错。有很强的迷惑性。警察觉得他挺有礼貌:

据Foxnews报道,家长向警察报告了youtube的录像,但警察没看那个录像。

"Sheriffs never saw menacing videos before California rampage"
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/0 ... california-rampage/
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sig2013 发表于 2014-5-25 21:08
据Foxnews报道,家长向警察报告了youtube的录像,但警察没看那个录像。

"Sheriffs never saw menacing v ...

这种录像就算警察看了又能怎么样。不过是个录像。警察毕竟面试了录像本人。

我今天看了CNN上受害人父亲的演讲录像。虽然对他很同情。但是看他对NRA和守法拥枪公民的那股子恨劲儿,就在担心他是否会做出什么绝的。警察看到这种演讲和演讲背后的emotion又能做出什么限制性的行为?
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-5-25 18:32 | 只看该作者
TFollowerII 发表于 2014-5-25 18:15
这种录像就算警察看了又能怎么样。不过是个录像。警察毕竟面试了录像本人。

我今天看了CNN上受害人父亲 ...

看了录像应该能发现(至少怀疑)他的作案企图。 至于可以如何处理我不清楚。我认为问题在于警察在个案上的疏忽,而不是法律的漏洞。

我也担心禁枪派利用这个案例搞出新的奇葩法案。
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sig2013 发表于 2014-5-25 18:32
看了录像应该能发现(至少怀疑)他的作案企图。 至于可以如何处理我不清楚。我认为问题在于警察在个案上 ...

禁止处男买枪?
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发表于 2014-5-26 12:20 | 只看该作者
在网上看到的两则回复。
剑桥高材生的问题:
RachelBarney, Cambridge, United Kingdom, 3 hours ago
Americans & their guns. Why don't they see the connection between lots of people having guns & lots of people getting shot? Put it this way - if I gave you a mobile phone, are you more or less likely to make a phone call? And for those going on about knives being as bad....no one "opens knife" in a public place do they! You'd have more of a chance of survival against pretty much every other weapon in existence apart from a gun
我觉得警察做不了什么。不可能24小时跟着,也不能强行放到精神病院,监狱,或者死刑什么的。
madmick, luperon, 12 hours ago
I have aspergers and I did wonder if he had the same problem. We are treated very badly in this world by the normal people. I tried to kill myself because of the perpetual bullying from the normal people. I expect that the normal people will look at this guy as some sort of monster - the way that i look at normal people.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638922/Santa-Barbara-rampage-killer-bought-three-handguns-legally-gun-shop.html

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