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[芝加哥地区] Racially discriminated at Rink's Gun & Sport near Chicago Illinois

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发表于 2014-8-24 09:42 | 显示全部楼层 |只看大图 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
Yesterday I took my in laws to Rink's Gun & Sport. I wanted to introduce shooting this very American sport to them.
I walked in and ask to use the range, the front cash register clerk pointed me to a register near the range door.
There the clerk asked me if I want to use the range and I answered yes.

I took out my wallet and was ready to pay, my wife walked in with my kids and asked me in Chinese: “孩子要peepee,你问问厕所在哪里 (Kids want to peepee, please ask the clerk where the restroom is.”
Totally unexpected, the clerk yelled at my wife: "English Only!”
“what???” Me and my wife were shocked and looked at him, kids were scared。
I said:“I can speak whatever language with my family."
The clerk said in a very rude tone: "Not in my store."
I said: "You want English? I have an English word for you, FUCK YOU!"
The clerk said: "Fuck you."

The manager heard our argument and asked me what happened.
I explained what happened, and the manager said: "This is America, you need to speak English. It's our policy, it’s on the door."
I said:" I am American and I can speak whatever language I want to speak, especially with my family."
...

Kids were scared and my in laws were very nervous. Me and my wife were really mad.

We walked out and look at the policy and I took a picture.
I told the manager, I will let my lawyer talk to him, this is not ending like this.


After coming back, I talked with some friends who knows the law, apparently the chance to win is quite small if I go to court.

But I have been thinking, what if I bring someone who is deaf, who only use sign language, so this deaf can't be in their store?
Someone like my mother in law who is American citizen but speak very little English, can't be in their store with a translator?

My kids are scared and got the impression speaking Chinese is going to getting them in trouble, I now need to take them to see counseling. I always told them Dad is very proud to speak three languages English, Chinese, and Russian. And I hope them to be bilingual at least and maybe speak three or more languages.

My fellow brothers and sisters, anyone with legal experience, please help me with advice.
Even with small chance to win, I am taking them to court.
I am going to show them who is the real American.

Update 08/25/14
Thank you for all your support on this matter.

I got quite some valuable advice. Many friends with law experience feel sorry for me but see no case here. I appreciate their opinion, which help me to practice my argument once  I go to court.

Some people see a case here, but see no economic gain and most likely no lawyer will accept this kind of case. Go to court is expensive and time consuming.
Those who see a possible case has these key point.

1. English only is not a legal requirment for purachsing a gun, as a matter of fact, the legal paperwork ATF 4473 form has a Spanish version.

2. violate of public accimodation. Federal Protections Against National Origin Discrimination
http://www.justice.gov/crt/legalinfo/natorigin.php

PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS

* In a restaurant, a group of Asian Americans waits for over an hour to be s
erved, while white and Latino customers receive prompt service.

* Haitian American visitors to a hotel are told they must pay in cash rather
than by credit card, are charged higher rates than other customers, and are
not provided with the same amenities, such as towels and soap.

These examples may be violations of federal laws that prohibit discriminatio
n because of national origin, race, color, or religion in places of public a
ccommodation. Public accommodations include hotels, restaurants, and places
of entertainment. If you believe you have been denied access to or equal enj
oyment of a public accommodation where there is a pattern or practice of dis
crimination, contact the Housing and Civil Enforcement Section at (202) 514-
4713. You may also write to:

U.S. Department of Justice
Civil Rights Division
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Housing and Civil Enforcement Section, NWB
Washington, D.C. 20530

3. violate Illinois fair housing law

4. Discrimination against race and origin.

5. Complain to news media, Chinese and Spanish etc.

Here are some comments:

"On one hand, it's private property and the owners have their rights to set whatever policies they wish, on the other hand, you are right to say you can speak whatever language especially with your family. Both seem to be very basic American values. Is there a case here that in a private business can an individual or family have the right to speak their own language without being threatened/denied service? See if you can find some attorney or organization to bring this all the way to the Supreme Court. English Only is unconstitutional in public places although some conservative members of congress or some local governments would try to make it law then and now, but can similar restrictions be tested and challenged in places of private business?"
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[size=11.818181991577148px]"- was thinking about this last night and I think my original assessment was wrong. You probably have a real case against them - that sign is probably illegal. it is essentially denying service based on a non-legal criteria. i.e., it isn't any better than a sign that says: "We don't serve food to dogs, blacks, gays and Chinese". I will ask my lawyers about it this morning and see what they'd say. However even if you do have a case it will probably be an expensive one - one that may be difficult to prove in terms of damage."



08/26/2014


今天要和几个懂法律朋友讨论一下我的official complain。


回了mitbbs一些网友。奇葩真多。还好有枪友网可以说说正常话。


“A gun store is nothing special, just like a Walmart store.
Actually Walmart is the number one gun seller in America.
It is open to public, anybody can walk in and do business with them.

Therefore it violated Public Accommodation law.
This is confirmed by several lawyers.

想象一个中餐馆在美国有policy:”中文only,我们不懂别的语言,你们可能在讨论恐怖袭击。“

而且,他们可以礼貌的解释这个policy,但是他们故意用充满敌意和歧视的语气叫喊。
他们只是想用这个policy做借口来insult他们不喜欢的种族。

Google review上另一个人给他爸爸当翻译也被歧视骚扰。”




8/25/2015
最新进展。
今天收到州人权部的信。
会立案,会charge。

Great news!

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 楼主| 发表于 2014-8-24 11:57 | 显示全部楼层
谢谢各位兄弟,我改成全英文,打算post到facebook和各大网站。
有你们的支持,我不会轻易放过这个维权的机会。

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 楼主| 发表于 2014-8-24 12:04 | 显示全部楼层

Foreign language = possible illegal sale? That is like to say black = possible robber. Latino = possible illegal immigrant.
I don't think so.

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 楼主| 发表于 2014-8-25 11:25 | 显示全部楼层
markboss 发表于 2014-8-25 10:46
ATF 4473都有spanish version了

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 楼主| 发表于 2014-8-26 05:56 | 显示全部楼层
SemperFortis 发表于 2014-8-25 23:58
Yelp review怎么发不出去了? 要审核的么?

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把差评顶上去就是了。
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-8-26 05:58 | 显示全部楼层
好多人谈到枪店有权制定english only policy。
这个确实是有争议的。

想象一家美国人去巴黎,饭店说French only, we don't understand foreign language, you could be setting up a terrorist attack.
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-8-26 08:08 | 显示全部楼层
brucewayne 发表于 2014-8-26 09:40
http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/goper-businesses-have-right-discriminate

希望这个有参考价值 ...

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回了mitbbs一些网友。奇葩真多。还好有枪友网可以说说正常话。

“A gun store is nothing special, just like a Walmart store.
Actually Walmart is the number one gun seller in America.
It is open to public, anybody can walk in and do business with them.

Therefore it violated Public Accommodation law.
This is confirmed by several lawyers.

想象一个中餐馆在美国有policy:”中文only,我们不懂别的语言,你们可能在讨论恐怖袭击。“

而且,他们可以礼貌的解释这个policy,但是他们故意用充满敌意和歧视的语气叫喊。
他们只是想用这个policy做借口来insult他们不喜欢的种族。

Google review上另一个人给他爸爸当翻译也被歧视骚扰。”
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-9-3 07:51 | 显示全部楼层
昨天正式在department of human right立案了。
黑兄弟读了一下我的表格和statement,笑了笑。
我说要把这些ass hole bring to justice. 黑哥说会转给负责人,让我等6-8礼拜。

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 楼主| 发表于 2014-9-28 06:30 | 显示全部楼层
excelmonkey 发表于 2014-9-26 11:15
话说这事情后来怎么样了?
“昨天正式在department of human right立案了。
黑兄弟读了一下我的表格和statement,笑了笑。
我说要把这些ass hole bring to justice. 黑哥说会转给负责人,让我等6-8礼拜。”


在等待中。。。。
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-9-29 11:55 | 显示全部楼层
双筒 发表于 2014-9-28 14:08
歧视是歧视,但不是所有的歧视都是种族歧视。 他们歧视的是外国人,是外国人到了美国还不想说英文,还要英 ...

你说的很有道理。这个恰好是我想要fight的。
谁说当美国人就必须讲英文,很多老莫不同意。我也不同意。有其不能同意我和老婆之间必须讲英文。

另外不知道SCA5你怎么看?按照你的思路,华人在好学校比例是太高了,SCA5有必要啊。

我觉得我们华人自省是个很好的品质,但是过犹不及,尤其是政治权利上。
所有的权利都要靠fight才会有,没人会捐赠权利给你。
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 楼主| 发表于 2015-7-25 20:52 | 显示全部楼层
最新进展。
今天收到州人权部的信。
会立案,会charge。

Great news!


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 楼主| 发表于 2015-10-8 16:17 | 显示全部楼层
最新进展,州人权部问仅仅道歉,没有赔钱可不可以。
我拒绝了。

不赔钱他们感觉不到痛。

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今天我那靶场歧视案子第一次开双方听证会。这州政府效率我也是醉了。双方对事实的描述没有大区别。就看语言歧视合不合法了。律师说是灰色地段,不像性取向宗教那么明确。

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