加州ccw和学校的一些问题

turbopascal

加州的学校仍然是无枪区。等将来持枪证申请下来后每天接送孩子上下学要怎么处理枪呢？

FJC

要继续斗争啊

如果能合法放车里，也算比较实际的方案

davidd

FJC

探讨枪法，中文用词我觉得最好是“中小学”，中文里的学校和英文里的school以及法律上的school对不上号，容易误导旁观群众

参考wa的法律：
http://www.qiangyou.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=19166

jNCgUN

ccw应该可以把枪放车里，然后把车停public street上。

ca1903

如果我沒記錯，加州還得“鎖”槍在一個盒子裡。比如一般轎車的後車廂。放在glove compartment還不行。

tjjtds

一般只要你CCW但是不下车，drop小孩没问题。加州不行吗？

coltjedi

加州的法律好像是在free zone 1000feet以内都不行，除非你住在free zone附近。

turbopascal

coltjedi 发表于 2014-11-13 20:40
加州的法律好像是在free zone 1000feet以内都不行，除非你住在free zone附近。

好像锁在容器里是可以的。不知锁在密码或指纹箱子里放着副驾驶位置可以吗

jjmichael

turbopascal 发表于 2014-11-13 22:21
好像锁在容器里是可以的。不知锁在密码或指纹箱子里放着副驾驶位置可以吗 ...

要unloaded & in locked container啊。。送小孩到了unload再锁起来?

jjmichael

turbopascal 发表于 2014-11-13 22:21
好像锁在容器里是可以的。不知锁在密码或指纹箱子里放着副驾驶位置可以吗 ...

好像CCW可以带到去学校。。但必须是加州发的CCW

Both Federal Law and California Law affect possession and transport of firearms in defined school zones. The requirements are slightly different for each.

However, in general, unless one qualifies for one of the exemptions,

    it is illegal to bring a firearm onto a school campus or property, and
    it is illegal to bring ammunition onto school property and
    it is illegal to have an uncased, unlocked firearm in a public place within 1000 feet of a k-12 school.

Exceptions include California Concealed Weapons licenses, and transport through school zones unloaded in locked cases. Note that CCW licenses recognized under reciprocity laws do not provide exemption, per the BATF.

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Gun_Free_School_Zones

turbopascal

jjmichael 发表于 2014-11-13 22:44
好像CCW可以带到去学校。。但必须是加州发的CCW

Both Federal Law and California Law affect possession ...

这个跟其他信息有冲突。http://www.shouselaw.com/gun-free-school.html

(NOTE: Having a California  "carry a concealed weapon CCW permit under Penal Code 26150 and 26155 PC does not  exempt you from prosecution if you carry a concealed weapon in a school zone)

jjmichael

turbopascal 发表于 2014-11-14 06:49
这个跟其他信息有冲突。http://www.shouselaw.com/gun-free-school.html

(NOTE: Having a California  " ...

好吧。。

laosong8

tjjtds 发表于 2014-11-13 17:04
一般只要你CCW但是不下车，drop小孩没问题。加州不行吗？

AZ 目前不行.  

一天可能要接送小孩好几次, 所以一直不敢把枪放车里.

jjmichael

turbopascal 发表于 2014-11-14 06:49
这个跟其他信息有冲突。http://www.shouselaw.com/gun-free-school.html

(NOTE: Having a California  " ...

网上搜了下，大家好像说你的这个link不行 outdated
http://www.calccw.com/Forums/gen ... l-zone-carry-2.html

有人说 Riverside county DA直接说CCW可以。在第27页。
http://rivcoda.org/opencms/alkac ... hoolCrimesGuide.pdf

This section does not apply to active or honorably
retired peace officers; armed security guards; military
members performing duties; and persons licensed to
carry concealable firearms.

我再根据他们建议看了一下PC 626.9, 里面确实有个(l), 说permit holder可以。你link里说不可以的理由是626.9 (c) (4)没有提ccw，但626.9 (l)直接说整个PC 626.9 section不适用于ccw

http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/626.9.html

(l) This section does not apply to a duly appointed peace officer
as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of
Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the
federal government who is carrying out official duties while in
California, any person summoned by any of these officers to assist in
making arrests or preserving the peace while he or she is actually
engaged in assisting the officer, a member of the military forces of
this state or of the United States who is engaged in the performance
of his or her duties, a person holding a valid license to carry the
firearm pursuant to Chapter 4 (commencing with Section 26150) of
Division 5 of Title 4 of Part 6, or an armored vehicle guard, engaged
in the performance of his or her duties, as defined in subdivision
(e) of Section 7521 of the Business and Professions Code.

jsl609

在加州，接送小孩需要带枪吗？白天的治安这么差？

jjmichael

jsl609 发表于 2014-11-14 12:08
在加州，接送小孩需要带枪吗？白天的治安这么差？

有CCW就一直带呗。。难道去老黑区才带？

turbopascal

jsl609 发表于 2014-11-14 12:08
在加州，接送小孩需要带枪吗？白天的治安这么差？

Ccw的意义在于一直戴着。因为你不能预测坏事何时发生。如果每天需要不停地折腾（进学校前摘下，之后戴上），那么很容易就一直不戴了。

jsl609

我在想，可能扯远了，CCW的意义在于保护你自己。即便有CCW，看到龙潭虎穴平常还是绕着走吧；除非你非去那里办事。我想这是明智的吧。

CCW是你的Constitutional Rights。即便你不用，也可以去办一个。

当然在人烟稀少的地方就另当别论了

turbopascal

jsl609 发表于 2014-11-15 15:15
我在想，可能扯远了，CCW的意义在于保护你自己。即便有CCW，看到龙潭虎穴平常还是绕着走吧；除非你非去那里 ...

"CCW的意义在于保护你自己": 我同意。更细化一些，CCW的意义在与防止意外。危险的地方本来就不要去。但是万一出现了意外情况，比如在自己觉得不危险的地方发生危险，身上带的枪就可能救命了。