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Political correctness是个双刃剑。华人作为弱势种群,从某种程度上是从political correctness得到保护的。但当前欧洲发生的事情,关于穆斯林和移民的问题必须开诚布公地讨论了。如果一种信仰能带来大大超出它的比例的暴力或破坏,无论它是什么,为了整个国家的自保,也应该让它非法,不这样做的国家就让它自然淘汰吧。反过来,一个信仰,为了自保,它应该跟暴力或破坏分离,不然就被宣布为非法。

自由并不是无界限的,如果一类行为对社会破坏太大,也可以是非法的。比如买卖淫,买卖毒品,聚赌等等,严格来说,都是一个愿打一个愿挨,为什么它们可以非法而宣扬杀光异教徒的教义就不能非法?

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Huntington 发表于 2015-11-14 07:36
Political correctness是个双刃剑。华人作为弱势种群,从某种程度上是从political correctness得到保护的。 ...

不同意。请指出华人受到PC保护的实例,绝对是鸡毛蒜皮。

宣布一个宗教非法将违背现代社会的基本准则,也没有必要。

卖淫合法化和毒品非罪化是有充分理由的。只不过是当前的PC状态下没法通过而已。Libertarian就主张卖淫吸毒合法。

建议你读读 这本名著开开眼界:Defending the Undefendable



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This is just the beginning, as I said it three months ago following the French train attack. The inconvenient truth is that European countries will see more of these similar massacres in the next few years to come as a result of their pathetic naivety and failed immigration policy. If you have backpacked across Europe and ventured into a couple less touristy part of Paris and Brussels, you will understand what I am talking about. This war between incompatible ideologies is brewing in every corner of Europe as we speak, but the European mainstream media still refuses to even acknowledge its existence. As long as their politicians keep burying their heads into the sand, more blood will follow and more innocent and defenseless European civilians will be killed by brutal Islamic terrorists. Let's face it, with over 1 million undocumented Muslim refugees rushing into Europe, it will only take a few radical Islamists to completely overwhelm the European security/surveillance system. As more young men face unemployment and self-induced cultural segregation, the promise of martyrdom will become a "way of salvation." Unless Islam goes through major transformation FROM WITHIN as their Christianity cousin did back in the Renaissance and Enlightenment era, any external influence to shape the course of political Islam will be deemed as a threat to the existence of the religion itself. This will become the root cause of all future conflicts between European liberalism and Islam. For any ecosystem to sustain itself, it has to achieve AND maintain a certain balance. Right now Europe is quickly losing that delicate balance as uncontrolled immigration overwhelms her welfare system, while any meaningful effort to reform has been hampered by the unconditional pursuit of political correctness. I hate to say this, but the identity crisis of Islam in this modern age has only begun, as a new global phenomenon like ISIS takes a deeper root inside Europe. If Europeans don't adopt some common sense for self-preservation, they will keep on paying that price of cultural conflicts with their lives. End of rant.
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如下是我对一位德国的脑残左棍圣母婊的朋友的回复,她说我不应该把恐怖主义和伊斯兰教挂钩,这是我的回复:

You see, this is what I call the pervasive culture of political correctness that has run so rampant in Europe and even in the US. "You cannot talk like this," "you cannot say this without defending yourself," "you cannot post something like that," etc. As for your question, I simply cannot fathom your grip on the reality. Do you have any idea how easy it has been for the past year for ISIS to infiltrate Europe using fake Syrian or Turkish passport? Do you realize how easy it was to smuggle military-grade fully automatic AK47s into Europe inside cargo containers labeled as humanitarian supplies? Do you honestly think, out of 1million political refugees, not even a small percentage of them hold a hateful grudge against Western powers, who like my friend Ghady has said, created this entire mass in Syria and Iraq in the first place when we toppled "benign tumors" like Saddam to only create a more malignant ISIS under the power vacuum.

You are correct, there is no European politics in this matter, because there is currently no opposition in your politics or conservative voice in your mainstream media. But rest assured, although democracy is slow to react, it almost always correct its course. My concern with European democracy is that it tends to push the system from extreme left-wing politics (what you have right now) to an extreme right-wing stance as Germany did before back in the 1930s, especially when the economy implodes. Please don't be naive to think that it won't happen again. Look at the change in ruling party in Poland, change in parliament seats in France, and change in British politics. Every time there is an Islamic terrorist attack, your media comes out saying we should pray for the victim and love each other, but it is always reluctant to mention the obvious reason why these attacks keep on happening in countries where there is strong counter-current flow between Islam and indigenous culture, such as France, Britain, Russia, Bangladesh, Australia, Sweden, Spain, Nigeria, Chad, Somali, just to name a few. In the contrary, how come there have been no Islamic terrorist attacks in South America, Mexico or in Japan? Because these countries don't have struggles between competing ideologies among the population. History is never written by the moderate majority, it's always created by the few radicals. It takes time for young Muslim immigrants to 1)overcome language barrier 2)get a useful education 3)find jobs 4) break the glass ceiling 5)absorb the universal values such as freedom of speech, freedom of religion or no-religion 6) stop blaming everything that has happened to the Middle East, especially not the Israelis or your Jewish neighbor. Because it takes time for immigrant culture to adjust itself in a new environment, the inflow of immigration has to be controlled considering the country's job market, education opportunity and resource capacity. I could talk about this all day, but I simply don't have the time, so please allow me to end this discussion with an analogy: if you compare Europe Union with a sluggish economy and dwindling population to a sick patient with severe anemia, would you, Dr. Schäfer, give your patient a massive, uncontrolled, continuous blood transfusion regardless her blood type, her antibody profile or most importantly, her physiological response to the continues transfusion? Think about it, use common sense, and please please don't kill our patient, we haven't sent her the bill yet.
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Hohenstaufenz 发表于 2015-11-14 12:27
如下是我对一位德国的脑残左棍圣母婊的朋友的回复,她说我不应该把恐怖主义和伊斯兰教挂钩,这是我的回复: ...

圣母教到底是什么定义?

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Free speech has lost, but votes are silent protest.
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Hohenstaufenz 发表于 2015-11-14 10:27
如下是我对一位德国的脑残左棍圣母婊的朋友的回复,她说我不应该把恐怖主义和伊斯兰教挂钩,这是我的回复: ...

和禁枪派一样,同情心泛滥,而不负责, 不计后果。 可悲的是,还有这么多人信。

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QuiMi 发表于 2015-11-14 07:20
不同意。请指出华人受到PC保护的实例,绝对是鸡毛蒜皮。

宣布一个宗教非法将违背现代社会的基本准则,也 ...

多谢你的书,对理解libertarianism很有帮助。

其实libertarianism的观点我不全同意,比如taxation那一段,但卖淫不见得是那么的坏。无论如何,我用的是递进语气,如果卖淫。。。都能非法,为什么宣扬杀光异教徒的教义就不能非法。。。

在平权法案后,PC的重要一点就是不要让人感觉自己是racist,当然在社会各方面的文化和立法有反应,从排华的过去到今天,华人受某种程度的保护是不可否认的;当然这个社会做得还很不够,并且有反复的可能。

回到更重要的讨论,怎么对待穆斯林。宣布一个宗教非法,确实有over generalize的危险,但让宣扬杀光异教徒的教唆非法是可以的。具体的实现手段很多,即可以冠冕堂皇,又能达到目的。

很多关于社会的讨论,之所以很难达到共识,是因为连基本价值的取向不一样。这是我跟朋友无数的争论中总结出来的。

我的价值取向是:给我们的基因一个机会。我们的基因不是exclusive的,重要性由近及远,所以外星人无论多繁荣先进,除参考学习意义外都不重要;机会就是长期的繁荣,繁就是多,荣以掌握的物理能量来衡量。

现代社会的很多价值观和社会理论,其实是实验和博弈的结果,将来可能又变了。但有一点我可以肯定,穆斯林对我的这个价值取向是个威胁(反智和暴力破坏),对付手段可以商榷。






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Hohenstaufenz 发表于 2015-11-14 10:27
如下是我对一位德国的脑残左棍圣母婊的朋友的回复,她说我不应该把恐怖主义和伊斯兰教挂钩,这是我的回复: ...

小狐狸英文很棒!

欧洲再不右转,恐怕没有机会了,人口是关键。当穆斯林人口超过百分之三十,加上它们的意志,就很不好办了。我直觉感到欧州恐怕不保了,十年前要告诉我,我可能都不相信,非移民国家也能搞成这样。希望美国和中国能顶住,国之生死大事啊。
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Hohenstaufenz 发表于 2015-11-14 10:27
如下是我对一位德国的脑残左棍圣母婊的朋友的回复,她说我不应该把恐怖主义和伊斯兰教挂钩,这是我的回复: ...

Very well said!


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