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发表于 2016-3-16 09:15 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
一篇好文章。提要:

比赛枪,猎枪改改好玩无妨。防身自卫用的枪,CCW枪不要乱改动,尤其是扳机和保险。因为一旦开枪上法庭,对方律师肯定会抓住不放。到时解释不清。

Customizing Your Defensive Pistol

KEVIN MICHALOWSKI | MARCH 11, 2016 | 24 COMMENTS

  
You may have heard that if you customize your defensive pistol, some shameless attorney will drag you into court claiming you “made that pistol even more deadly.” This, so the story goes, will lead to your immediate incarceration or the loss of all your worldly goods in a civil suit. Maybe. So make sure you have a good lawyer, but also make sure you and your lawyer know what you are talking about and what modifications to your gun actually do.

First you need to understand that lawyers can and will say anything to win a case. You have heard me say it before and I will say it again: lawyers care less about truth and more about winning. So, if a lawyer thinks he or she can win a case by making an outlandish claim, you can expect an outlandish claim to be made.

The direct question is this: Will making simple modifications to your firearm put you at greater risk of a lawsuit following a defensive shooting?

The short answer is no. That’s because you can pretty much count on getting sued if you are forced to use your gun in self-defense. You have heard all the excuses before; all the quotes by angry, grieving parents on the news: “He didn’t deserve to get shot like that. He was just turning his life around. He was a good boy.” So, expect to get sued whether you modify your gun or not.
To ensure that you don’t give an aggressive anti-gun attorney any MORE reason to go after you, just make sure that you don’t make any modifications to the safety mechanisms or the factory trigger settings on your firearm.

It used to be all the rage for 1911 shooters to pin down the grip safety on a 1911. I have also seen shooters cover the grip of a 1911 with a slip-on rubber overgrip that also depressed the grip safety. Doing something like this gives an attorney the chance to stand up in open court and say, “The defendant INTENTIONALLY disabled one of the safety mechanisms on his firearm. How could you NOT call this gross negligence?

Gun owners who choose to reduce the trigger pull weight can also open themselves up for similar attacks, but the opposite side of that coin is that not all trigger work reduces the pull weight. If you pay a competent gunsmith to create for you a smooth trigger pull with a crisp break, but insist on retaining that 5- to 8-pound pull weight, you should be OK. What you have done is made the gun more accurate and thus safer, because now you are much more assured you will hit what you are shooting at. But still, an attorney can say you created a “hair trigger.” Remember, attorneys can say anything they want.

Other upgrades to your pistol, like a beveled magazine well or an improved magazine release or slide stop lever, should go largely unnoticed during the investigative stage of the lawsuit, but if someone asks, those modifications do not make your firearm more deadly. Those modifications make your firearm easier to operate under stress and therefore add a level of safety.

The same is true for the addition of new and improved grips or sights. You are not making the gun more deadly. You are making it safer.

As gun owners, we face all sorts of threats. Legal wrangling is just one of the things we have to plan for. A good legal defense starts with knowledge.


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就是好奇问问,"making a gun more deadly"违反了哪条法律?
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alex 发表于 2016-3-16 12:52
就是好奇问问,"making a gun more deadly"违反了哪条法律?

it's not technically against any law, it just makes your life that much harder when you have to use it, when an over-zealous DA tries to ruin your life, therefore, it's not recommended, as the article suggested.

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alex 发表于 2016-3-16 12:52
就是好奇问问,"making a gun more deadly"违反了哪条法律?

重点不是make it more deadly(you cannot make a gun more deadly without changing its caliber anyway),而是negligence
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CiTY_HuNTeR 发表于 2016-3-16 12:37
重点不是make it more deadly(you cannot make a gun more deadly without changing its caliber anyway ...

"Make it more deadly" looks bad on its own right too.

When you are in court, you don't want to be accused of making your gun "more deadly" after shooting a thug.

If the thug dies, the lawyer would argue he would not have died if you didn't modify your gun.  If he is injured badly, you would appear more responsible.
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QuiMi 发表于 2016-3-16 14:03
"Make it more deadly" looks bad on its own right too.

When you are in court, you don't want to be ...

所以就看律师吵架功夫了。我不是律师,但至少知道这个论点有两点漏洞:1。more deadly如果同样的管长缠距,同样的口径,打出去同样的子弹物理上说动能不应该相差太多,在加工精度的variance以内。所以这点不成立。2。would have not died是个伪命题,首先自卫者并没有杀人意图,只是stop threat。至于不幸挂掉的thug,只能说so sad。至于他会不会死,这点无法假设,除非他能找一个人让被告用没改过的枪再打一遍。到这时候就像原文说的,事实不那么重要,要看律师能力
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CiTY_HuNTeR 发表于 2016-3-16 13:18
所以就看律师吵架功夫了。我不是律师,但至少知道这个论点有两点漏洞:1。more deadly如果同样的管长缠距 ...



You are correct in theory but theories do not matter in court.  A lawyer just need to convince some stupid jurors that you are responsible because you arguably made the gun "more deadly".  

Why would you take that chance?  Just use the factory made guns.
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QuiMi 发表于 2016-3-16 14:43
You are correct in theory but theories do not matter in court.  A lawyer just need to convince s ...

I use factory trigger on all my ccw guns. And IF you read what I wrote before, I wasn't trying to disagree with the original post AT ALL...
I wasn't going to "Take that chance", I was just saying proof and physics on the course doesn't mean bs, unless you have a good lawyer to explain them.
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CiTY_HuNTeR 发表于 2016-3-16 10:37
重点不是make it more deadly(you cannot make a gun more deadly without changing its caliber anyway ...

不make sense。
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老枪07 发表于 2016-3-16 10:05
it's not technically against any law, it just makes your life that much harder when you have to us ...

真发生了,life已经好不到哪去了。俺没看出来多这一条能差多少。
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因为你还有节操和底线。等你当了律师或者记者就make sense了
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QuiMi 发表于 2016-3-16 11:03
"Make it more deadly" looks bad on its own right too.

When you are in court, you don't want to be ...

生命攸关,不是你死就是我活。按你这么说只能把人打残了。这样比较负责。
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CiTY_HuNTeR 发表于 2016-3-16 12:38
因为你还有节操和底线。等你当了律师或者记者就make sense了

那就看律师怎么咬俺的factory setting的lem版的屁三菱死磕加safety吧。more deadly?no... less deadly。lol
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alex 发表于 2016-3-16 15:41
那就看律师怎么咬俺的factory setting的lem版的屁三菱死磕加safety吧。more deadly?no... less deadly。l ...

之前看到有g的ghost connector和wolff弹簧套件一起卖,不过查了一下原厂和卖家说法都是弹簧是“not for duty or ccw,for competition and target shooting only”,估计就是要免除法律责任
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alex 发表于 2016-3-16 14:39
生命攸关,不是你死就是我活。按你这么说只能把人打残了。这样比较负责。 ...

No.  You do whatever necessary to defend yourself.  The meaning of the article is that you don't do something unnecssary (like changing the trigger) to make your defense harder.
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QuiMi 发表于 2016-3-16 13:03
No.  You do whatever necessary to defend yourself.  The meaning of the article is that you don't d ...

嗯,我不会改成非原厂trigger的。这个可以放心。需要改trigger的还是改在比赛用枪上的好。
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之前看到有g的ghost connector和wolff弹簧套件一起卖,不过查了一下原厂和卖家说法都是弹簧是“not for d ...

嗯。所以俺也放弃史外甥了。整个apex到时候也说不清。除非哪天史外甥把apex收了。
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我考ccw时有人检查我ccw list 上的枪有否改过。
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