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Dallas police chief: Open carry makes things confusing during mass shootings

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发表于 2016-7-11 15:20 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式

还是有些道理。如果你open carry,碰到这种情况,你会怎么办?

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-dallas-chief-20160711-snap-story.html


Dallas police chief: Open carry makes things confusing during mass shootings

Police are questioning Micah Xavier Johnson’s family members, including his mother, to determine if he had any accomplices in last week’s rampage that left five Dallas police officers dead.

Johnson, a 25-year-old former Army reservist, kept a journal of “combat tactics,” stockpiled bomb-making materials and other weapons, took a self-defense class and was seen by neighbors practicing military exercises in his backyard, officials have said. Records show he lived with his mother.
How could his family not have known? “That’s my question,” Police Chief David Brown said at a Monday briefing in police headquarters. He said Johnson’s relatives have been cooperative and have not been detained.

“I want to make sure there’s nobody else out there who had anything to do with this,” Brown said. Detectives are reviewing more than 300 statements to determine which witnesses and officers need to return for further interviews, he said. In the coming days they plan to release a timeline of the gunman’s movements.

In addition to the dead, the gunman wounded nine officers, including two from El Centro Community College, where the shooting occurred. Brown said he believed Johnson’s goal was to “make us pay for what he sees as law enforcement’s efforts to punish people of color,” including the fatal police shootings last week of black men in Louisiana and Minnesota. It was those deaths, caught on video that went viral online, that led the gunman to “fast track” plans to kill police officers, Brown said.

The chief has also faced questions about how police responded after the shooting to protesters who were armed. A group of black protesters carrying so-called long guns – a practice called “open carry” that is legal in Texas – were detained after the shooting. Police initially released a photo of one of them, Mark Hughes, and identified him as a person of interest in the investigation, but later released him.

“While everybody is singing kumbaya for the chief of police, he put my brother out there,” Hughes’ older brother Cory Hughes, who helped organize the protest, said at a Black Lives Matter meeting overnight, noting that after the shooting his brother turned his gun in to police to avoid confusion.
After his brother was identified, he said, they received threats.

“We got high security not only because I carry a gun, but because I stood up for Black Lives Matter,” he said.

Some gun rights advocates have argued that armed citizens, so called “good guys with guns,” can aid police in combating crime. Last year, Texas passed a law allowing the open carrying of handguns, and another law allowing people to carry handguns on college campuses is set to take effect Aug. 1.
But Brown called policing with open carry “difficult at best.”

We don’t know who the good guy is versus the bad guy when everyone starts shooting.  — David Brown, Dallas police chief
“It’s increasingly challenging when people have AR-15s slung over their shoulder and they’re in a crowd,” he said. “We don’t know who the good guy is versus the bad guy when everyone starts shooting.”

Brown and his family have also received death threats, he said, “almost immediately after the shooting.” He also noted that following the shooting, police were attacked in other cities. “We’re in a place where we’re concerned for our safety,” he said, “because of people who in my opinion are not stable and could do great damage to us.”

He had a simple message for young black men protesting against police: “We’re hiring.”

“Get off that protest line and serve. We’ll help you,” he said.

Johnson was killed remotely by police using a robot carrying explosives after a standoff in which he told a negotiator he hated whites, was targeting white officers and planned to kill more.

Brown clarified Monday that the standoff occurred in the community college, not a garage as he had previously said. He said there were still civilians in the building when police set off the C4 explosives.

“There was a lot of students in the building before this suspect ran into the building. Our officers got most of them out. We learned just recently that two students stayed there overnight,” Brown said, adding, “They weren’t in any danger.”

This was the first time Dallas police had used a robot, normally used to defuse bombs, in a standoff. The department bought the Mark V-A1 eight years ago for $151,000.

“They improvised this idea in about 15, 20 minutes,” he said. “I asked the question of how much we were using. I said, ‘Don’t bring the building down.’ I said, ‘I trust you, you know what I want done.’ ”

The chief weighed using the robot or a sniper to end the standoff, but said during an interview with CNN on Sunday that the robot was safer.

As it was, 13 officers used force against the gunman, Brown said, with 11 firing their guns. Among them was Dallas Area Rapid Transit Officer Brent Thompson, 34, who was killed in the shootout. Brown didn’t say what type of force the other two officers used, but he told CNN the gunman also fought “hand-to-hand.” Dallas Police Senior Cpl. Lorne Ahrens, 48, Sgt. Michael J. Smith, 55, and Officers Michael Krol, 40, and Patrick Zamarripa, 32, were also killed.

Brown said Johnson had hidden in a corner in the garage and that using a sniper would have exposed police to “great danger.”

“We believe that we saved lives by making this decision,” he said.

The robot was an unusual choice, perhaps the first time a police agency tapped the military-style technology to end a standoff. Brown defended the decision given the gunman’s comments to the police negotiator.

“He said he was going to kill. This wasn’t an ethical dilemma for me,” Brown said. “And I’d do it again, to save our officers.”
Police could even use the same robot again, he said.


“There’s partial damage to the extension arm of the robot, but it is still functional if we had to use it for other operations,” he said.

Brown said evidence seized from the gunman’s home indicates he had originally been planning an even bigger attack. Just how big remains unclear.

“There was a large stockpile[of explosives]. One of the bomb techs called me at home to express his concerns about how large a stockpile he had,” Brown said.

He said it also wasn’t clear how Johnson learned about bomb making.


“We don’t think he learned it in the military. He learned it online I guess,” the chief said.
A candlelight vigil for the fallen officers was planned at Dallas city hall Monday night, and visitation has been scheduled for three of the officers at local funeral homes Tuesday, with funerals Wednesday.

Thompson’s funeral will be held at 10 a.m. Wednesday at the Potter’s House Church, a Dallas megachurch run by Bishop T.D. Jakes. Ahrens’ funeral is scheduled for 11 a.m. at Prestonwood Baptist Church in nearby Plano. Smith’s family has scheduled a private funeral at Mary Immaculate Catholic Church in nearby Farmers Branch and a separate ceremony for fellow officers and the public at noon Wednesday at Watermark Church in Dallas where he provided weekly security for years.

Funeral arrangements were still pending Monday for Officers Krol and Zamarripa, according to a statement from Dallas police.
The chief said he was still trying to come to terms with the fact that they're holding these funerals. “I don’t know how I’m going to make it through the week,” he said.





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发表于 2016-7-11 16:27 | 只看该作者
没啥不对的。同理你见义勇为也得小心
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发表于 2016-7-11 16:38 | 只看该作者
在这种情况下,当然是交枪比较正确。
首先你不是执法者,即没有义务也没有适当的训练去处理这类问题。
而且警察局长说的对,在那种混乱局面下,你很有可能被误认为歹徒。

其实最好不要在这种场合去实践你的第二修正案的权利。其他可以强调权利的地方很多。没必要引起周围人的紧张。
另外隐蔽携带比较合适。在自己生命受到威胁的时候可以自卫。也可以选择隐蔽逃命。比较自由。

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alex 发表于 2016-7-11 16:27
没啥不对的。同理你见义勇为也得小心

同意你的意见。不过法律是底线。日常生活还是要注意一下周围人的感受。
一般没事你也看不到有什么人背着一把长枪在外面逛,是不是。
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alex 发表于 2016-7-11 18:27
没啥不对的。同理你见义勇为也得小心

这也是我不回open carry的原因。 CCW的话,还可以一走了之。Open Carry,你是扔了枪在闪呢,还是拿着枪跑?
你说的对,只要在公共场所用枪,都有这个risk。
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dart 发表于 2016-7-11 16:52
这也是我不回open carry的原因。 CCW的话,还可以一走了之。Open Carry,你是扔了枪在闪呢,还是拿着枪跑 ...

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dcx 发表于 2016-7-11 16:41
同意你的意见。不过法律是底线。日常生活还是要注意一下周围人的感受。
一般没事你也看不到有什么人背着 ...

德州比较特殊。以前open carry方便
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dart 发表于 2016-7-11 16:52
这也是我不回open carry的原因。 CCW的话,还可以一走了之。Open Carry,你是扔了枪在闪呢,还是拿着枪跑 ...

你意淫呢吧。。。。
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alex 发表于 2016-7-11 19:17
你意淫呢吧。。。。

如果可以open carry,我也没有ar-15。
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dart 发表于 2016-7-11 17:18
如果可以open carry,我也没有ar-15。

你可以背拴动嘛。。。。
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alex 发表于 2016-7-11 17:15
德州比较特殊。以前open carry方便

open carry长枪在德州一直是合法的。不过基本上没有人没事背着枪在街上玩。
在乡下的靶场附近倒是有人直接从车里拿出长枪进靶场。但城里的室内靶场都要求有枪盒或袋子。
我不反对可以做法律允许的事。但做事也要分场合。你在枪展上这么完都没问题。
不过在那种人群拥挤的环境中。又是可能引起冲突的集会场合。open carry真的不是一个好主意。
说实话当时警察如果太紧张把那个带枪的老哥打了也不会有刑事责任。现场如此混乱誰也说不好会发生什么事。
总的来说还是隐蔽持枪更灵活一些。
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alex 发表于 2016-7-11 19:22
你可以背拴动嘛。。。。

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dcx 发表于 2016-7-11 17:40
open carry长枪在德州一直是合法的。不过基本上没有人没事背着枪在街上玩。
在乡下的靶场附近倒是有人直 ...


这么做的都是要表明自己态度的。那老哥也不例外。其实只有law abiding citizen才会这么干。所以我一开始就不觉得那老哥会是枪手。至于脑子好不好使嘛,那是另一回事。。。
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有突出物会不会定性为assault weapon?
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alex 发表于 2016-7-11 18:05
这么做的都是要表明自己态度的。那老哥也不例外。其实只有law abiding citizen才会这么干。所以我一开始 ...

同意。我敢肯定他也没想到真有人开枪行凶。
看录像这老哥一开始还没反应过来。还是他哥反应快。立马让他把枪交了。
有这么一个老弟也该够头疼的。
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这也是为什么我一直都非常不支持朋友或者家人open carry 的原因,自己在能够CCW 的时候绝对不会open carry。给执法人员添乱不说,将element of surprise 拱手让给罪犯,将自己变成明显的目标,于人于己都不利。愿意open carry 的理想主义同志们,我敬你们一个个都是条汉子,但真要是把自己搭上,在mass shooting 的情况下被警察、枪手 或者CCW 公民误以为是枪手打成筛子,那也别怨天怨地怨体制,no zuo no die why you try?
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Open carry 与其说是在实践第二修正案的权利,更不如说是在实践第一修正案的权利。
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dcx 发表于 2016-7-11 19:17
同意。我敢肯定他也没想到真有人开枪行凶。
看录像这老哥一开始还没反应过来。还是他哥反应快。立马让他 ...

我记得npr说他哥是组织者之一吧
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没错。明显的他哥比他有头脑的多。
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