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有篇文章讨论最近警察开枪击毙明州CCW黑哥。没什么新意。只有一段很有意思。 说是他的CCW教官说的,开车被警察截住一定要主动出示CCW执照(不管法律上是否这样要求),因为这样做警察很有可能免去你的罚单改成警告。

原因之一:申请CCW会经过背景调查。因此有执照的铁定是良民。
原因之二:有些州吃多了罚单会吊销CCW执照。警察多半支持良民CCW,不想让你失去执照。

作者照此办理,三次被警察拦截都没吃罚单。


Philando Castile’s gun permit might have gotten him killed. I’m white. My own permit gets me out of traffic fines.Corey Hutchins





Philando Castile, a black man in Minnesota who was shot and killed by a 28-year-old police officer named Jeronimo Yanez during a traffic stop, was about my age. We might have had plenty in common, or not much at all.

But when details of his killing emerged, I learned of one potential similarity between us that also set us a world apart: Like Castile, I have a permit to carry a gun.

I, too, have been pulled over by police. The difference is that Castile was black and I am white. When he got pulled over with his gun permit, he was shot and killed. When I’m pulled over and show my permit, it gets me out of traffic fines.

According to Castile’s girlfriend, Diamond Reynolds, who posted a live video to Facebook of her boyfriend bleeding in the driver’s seat while the officer’s gun is still drawn, Castile had a permit to carry a weapon. She says he told the officer he had a firearm and was reaching for his ID when the officer shot and killed him.

“He had a permit to carry,” Castile’s mother said on CNN.
In discussing the killing, Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton, a Democrat, has pointed to Castile’s race as a factor.

“Would this have happened if the driver were white, if the passengers were white?” the governor asked. “I don’t think it would have.”

This is not abstract for me.

I have been pulled over with my own gun permit several times, but I’m a white guy driving a Volkswagen. And since I got my concealed carry permit, I’ve been treated very differently by officers each time they’ve pulled me over. Instead of tickets that lead to fines, I’ve gotten off with warnings. The permit has saved me hundreds of dollars since I got it.

Why? The answer is an anecdote I used to tell at parties. I don’t feel so hot about it now.

In 2009, as a journalist in South Carolina, I took a weekend class and got a concealed weapons permit for a story about the rise in permit applications and firearms sales following the election of Democratic President Barack Obama.

My instructor was a liberal New York transplant who previously taught college English. At the end of our two-day training, he told us— all of us white— about one of the perks of having a concealed weapons permit: We would likely never get another traffic ticket again.

The next time you get pulled over, our instructor said, hand over your permit with your license and insurance card. Tell the officer whether you are armed and if there’s a gun in the car. When the officer sees the permit, the instructor said, his “whole demeanor will change.” We will likely get off with just a warning.

The instructor was right. For me, anyway.

Since I got my permit in 2009, I’ve been pulled over by police multiple times. I have yet to get a ticket.
The first time was in a small South Carolina town where I was clocked at 16 miles over the limit. The officer chided me for not having a gun on me at the time. Getting a written warning, he said, doesn’t happen much in this town, as he handed me one that saved me around $200.

The next time was more egregious. It came in the early morning hours at a DUI checkpoint on a major road in a mid-sized city. My destination was just before the checkpoint, on a side street, and when I turned onto that street two officers chased me down on foot and pounded on my car, yelling for me to stop. They might have thought I was trying to evade the checkpoint. It sure looked that way.
When I handed over my license, gun permit and insurance card, I’ll never forget what the officer said. “All right, brother, concealed weapons permit, you’re good.”

The officer did not ask me— a guy in his 20s who just made a left turn immediately before a flashing DUI checkpoint after midnight— if I had been drinking. Just, “All right, brother, concealed weapons permit, you’re good.” That was it.

The last time I got pulled over was about a year and a half ago in Colorado after making a U-turn in an intersection. I didn’t see the officer in an SUV in a nearby parking lot, but he saw me. I handed him my license, my permit and my insurance card, and thought this is the time I finally get a ticket. The officer let me off with a warning.

There are a few reasons why this happens, my weapons instructor explained seven years ago.

For one, to get a concealed weapons permit, you have to pass a background check, which means if you have a permit you have no serious priors. Your fingerprints are on file, you’re already in the system, you have no outstanding warrants for your arrest.
Another reason is that in some states, if you rack up enough traffic violations, you can lose your gun permit. An officer might appreciate having more well-trained civilians carrying concealed weapons in their communities, and so you might get a warning instead of a ticket that could lead to losing your permit.

But there’s another aspect that went unsaid, perhaps made more clear in light of Castile’s death: It probably helps if you look like me.




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发表于 2016-7-19 20:35 | 只看该作者
我被停过两次,都出示过所有证件,警告就走了

楼上那个黑兄弟,Philando Castile,警察抓他因为当作了抢劫疑犯,而且事实还不清楚,似乎根本不是他在开车,而且不知道有没有不听指令,所以没什么代表性
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俺前两天刚给了个警告,说是我从STOP SIGN冲出来太远才停车,和他解释了一下那个路口的SS比较操蛋,他也同意,问我要DL和Registration. 先给了DL和CHL,去拿R的时候才想起来还得先解释一下。没想到他满不在乎地说GO AHEAD,还问我带的是什么。嘿嘿。
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发表于 2016-7-19 21:44 来自手机 | 只看该作者
有关 Castile 的案子,现在为止一直只有一面之词。警方一直闭口不谈,要等调查结束才会公布结果。现在警方学乖巧了,以前提前透露一点证据,马上被媒体报道,紧接着就会被媒体挖出大量的材料来证明警方的证据多么无效。包括哪些邻居和亲戚说他是“一个天使,连鸡都不敢杀的”。这篇文章明显有倾向性,而且只引用单方面的视频证据。我觉得看看就可以了。
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至于 ccw 能不能让你免罚单,我没有经历。但是我的对面邻居是个老警察,我在去考证以前问过他:如果你拦下一个车,你发现司机是个 ccw holder, 你会有什么样的反应?会不会高度紧张,叫 backup?他说不会的,相反他会松口气。他说他做了30年警察,只遇到过两次ccw的人给他惹麻烦的。他对 有 ccw的人很信任。听了他的话以后,我马上去申请了。
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本帖最后由 deserteagle 于 2016-7-20 00:23 编辑
winterwang 发表于 2016-7-19 21:52
至于 ccw 能不能让你免罚单,我没有经历。但是我的对面邻居是个老警察,我在去考证以前问过他:如果你拦下 ...

知道你有CCW证件,警察是会松口气的。因为明显摆着,不守法的人是拿不到这个执照的。警察最怕的是没有执照还带枪的人,其中说不定有抢劫犯、杀人犯、购黑枪者、仇警者,或者是天性暴躁而又对警察截停车子发脾气的,那真的是要call backup了……
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deserteagle 发表于 2016-7-20 00:05
知道你有CCW证件,警察是会松口气的。因为明显摆着,不守法的人是拿不到这个执照的。警察最怕的是没有执照 ...

而且肯主动出示ccw就是主动表示配合警察工作,这个态度也很重要
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我身边的朋友也遇到过类似情况。我们州是not obligated to inform,但是他还是出示了LTCF。警察就说appreciate your respect, 然后口头警告一下就放走了。
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高速I79上开91/70被pull over, 主动告知警察我有CCW并且我带枪了, 警察让我把手套箱打开给他看了一眼后让我盖好盒子 不要去碰,遂拿走我的驾照注册保险单。 十分钟后回来,告诉我非常感谢我告知他我带枪了,很感谢我尊重他的工作和安全,于是决定不扣分了。 我欣喜若狂,省了$150+的罚单钱,与友人大啖一餐,一周后收到邮寄罚单。。
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我的个人经验
高速I79上开91/70被pull over, 主动告知警察我有CCW并且我带枪了, 警察让我把手套箱打开给他 ...

最后一句啥意思啊?还是罚钱了?
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HRQYH 发表于 2016-7-20 07:01
最后一句啥意思啊?还是罚钱了?

是啊 那个地方好像罚单不是当场开的
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xchen57 发表于 2016-7-20 07:02
是啊 那个地方好像罚单不是当场开的

他没说不用罚钱嘛。 本来是不是法钱加扣分的?
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xchen57 发表于 2016-7-20 09:39
我的个人经验
高速I79上开91/70被pull over, 主动告知警察我有CCW并且我带枪了, 警察让我把手套箱打开给他 ...

不扣分不等于不罚啊。。以后开慢点吧。
When You're Up To Your Nose In Shit, Keep Your Mouth Shut. -Jack Beauregard
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xchen57 发表于 2016-7-20 06:39
我的个人经验
高速I79上开91/70被pull over, 主动告知警察我有CCW并且我带枪了, 警察让我把手套箱打开给他 ...

笑喷了
不扣分也不错了,不用张保险了,省的钱肯定多于150
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那个老黑哥们真的有CCW吗?
这个是一面之词吧。
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greenbriar 发表于 2016-7-20 16:44
那个老黑哥们真的有CCW吗?
这个是一面之词吧。

那老黑 还真有ccw执照:

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我不太明白的一个问题是,CCW的时候不能喝酒不能吸毒,否则就算你不在开车的时候也等同于 DWI。会面临吊销 CCW 的后果。当时这个黑哥在开车,这个女的的录像里面说了他们车里有 weed.这是不是已经等同于 DWI了?各个州可能有不同的法律,但是应该大同小异吧。
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xchen57 发表于 2016-7-20 06:39
我的个人经验
高速I79上开91/70被pull over, 主动告知警察我有CCW并且我带枪了, 警察让我把手套箱打开给他 ...

你这个经历实在是太搞了
我是空白签名档
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