有没有熟悉Px4 Storm的？

kisskaren

有朋友卖，我比较喜欢这个size的TDA手枪，也想试试rotating barrel的枪。
夜瞄，Type G和握把摩擦力这些都不是问题。
很多年前就听说这枪因为枪管和闭锁块Metal on Metal接触比较多，如果打得很多很脏不维护，容易卡死。
你们实际体验或听说过这个问题吗？谢谢

Philippshen

也许很有潜力呢，glock不是也刚出了个rotating barrel的版本嘛

gggghbr

据说这枪需要保湿，不过有earnest london背书，应该不会差到哪去。

双筒

我有一个。“枪管和闭锁块”之间的卡死，只有youtube上MAC做的那个torture test里我才见过，平常打跟我的USP没有什么区别。 不过这枪是我见过的唯一弹匣会卡死的一个。 我的5个弹匣，一开始的时候如果装满了，手动一发一发的把子弹退出来，退到弹匣半满的时候最上面的子弹拿出来了，下面的不马上升起来。 我把弹匣里面稍微上了点油就好了。 后来这几年没再上过油。。。

OHOH

very nice！后座比同样尺寸的手枪小不少，日常使用从没卡过。弹夹不顺畅是常见问题，用几回就会磨合好的。需要改的是装g type decocker和贴个talon grip

bearlck

同样是rotating barrel的设计，个人感觉这个没有Grand Power的那个设计精妙，GP是直接把barrel切削成一个螺旋状的斜切面，然后让这个spiral cutout rides on the roller bearing上面，这样就避免了“枪管和闭锁块Metal on Metal接触比较多，如果打得很多很脏不维护，容易卡死”的问题，简单可靠，同时闭锁滚柱还起到了类似轴承的润滑效果

semilin

有一只，换后瞄比较痛苦，其他都还好。

radray

got two, 1500+ and 500+ rounds through each, never any issues.
Replaced one of them for the competition trigger.


Total of 8 mags between the 2 PX4s and a CX4, no issues either, but never fully loaded them to highest capacity.

军火大a

bearlck 发表于 2019-4-4 06:27
同样是rotating barrel的设计，个人感觉这个没有Grand Power的那个设计精妙，GP是直接把barrel切削成一个螺 ...

GP就是艺术品，不知道为啥不火。

Hetzer

bearlck 发表于 2019-4-4 06:27
同样是rotating barrel的设计，个人感觉这个没有Grand Power的那个设计精妙，GP是直接把barrel切削成一个螺 ...

赞此图，这个设计真不错啊

zacvoid

可靠性不清楚，我打了这个枪以后觉得这个枪的后座和复进都很慢
打速射打不起来

CiTY_HuNTeR

问问裤子哥啊，他以前用这个比赛。g type和夜瞄不都是extra bonus么

kisskaren

谢谢各位老大 我2012年时在P30/Px4中选择，当时在被雷打和西格任职过的某位回复我说

“If given a choice between a PX4 and a case of herpes, I'd probably flip a coin...

The Cougar, which also had a rotating barrel, had various problems not all of which were related to the locking system. That gun eventually reached a point where they didn't want their name on it any more and it's now marketed under their cheaper Stoeger brand.

Many of the same problems were carried through to the PX4, but the locking mechanism was "fixed" just enough to make it extremely sensitive to cleaning and lubrication. As mentioned earlier by will_1400, I once had a group of students from a government agency show up to class with their PX4 and literallyuse a mallet to smash the guns open when they got too dirty to manipulate by hand. One of the guys in the group had the mallet in his range kit for exactly that purpose.

Like anything else, I have no doubt that someone somewhere has a PX4 that is awesome, runs like a sewing machine built by God Himself, and is capable of shooting around corners. But in my experience the PX4 as a species is inferior to many competing products on the market.



No, the guns were not run dry. The reality is that the system doesn't lend itself well to any kind of high volume shooting without being cleaned.

I'd throw the question back and ask it this way: What would make you choose the PX4 over a more proven, more popular gun?

kisskaren

之后就买了P30L，到现在7年了确实是不错。 但时间长了发现Px4好像也没那么不堪。

又是我喜欢的尺寸，所以纠结一下要不要下手

kisskaren

bearlck 发表于 2019-4-4 06:27
同样是rotating barrel的设计，个人感觉这个没有Grand Power的那个设计精妙，GP是直接把barrel切削成一个螺 ...

谢谢介绍 又涨姿势了 斯洛伐克货看上去不错枪身里面是钢的？

gggghbr

kisskaren 发表于 2019-4-5 08:52
谢谢各位老大 我2012年时在P30/Px4中选择，当时在被雷打和西格任职过的某位回复我说

“If given a choice  ...

这个是Todd Green么？

kisskaren

gggghbr 发表于 2019-4-5 09:13
这个是Todd Green么？

是的 你知道Glock HK用惯了的 我都是打几次才随便擦一次枪。

不过看Langdon用的还不错 希望他不是为了卖配件套路咱 大伙也用起来OK那应该没啥问题

kisskaren

双筒 发表于 2019-4-4 05:05
我有一个。“枪管和闭锁块”之间的卡死，只有youtube上MAC做的那个torture test里我才见过，平常打跟我的US ...

双筒兄 你咋啥枪都有？看来家庭财政大权在握

kisskaren

CiTY_HuNTeR 发表于 2019-4-4 13:57
问问裤子哥啊，他以前用这个比赛。g type和夜瞄不都是extra bonus么

好湿裤子哥好久没冒泡了 以为他海龟了

kisskaren

semilin 发表于 2019-4-4 07:34
有一只，换后瞄比较痛苦，其他都还好。

很难敲出来？我有sight pusher不知能不能搞定