蒙大拿导游被熊攻击，熊喷无效

FJC

https://ktla.com/news/nationworl ... tone-national-park/

可惜了，有条件还是带火器防身吧

StarTX

这。。。。。还真有人拿防熊喷雾去喷熊啊？？？不是吧。
我问我的教练橙红色的防鲨鱼潜水服，是不是可以防鲨鱼。
教练说是的，但建议尽快躲到礁石后面。。。。。

双筒

又到了贴那个经典熊喷告示牌的时候了。。。
[img] [/img]

FN_Roller

进入野生环境不带武器？这也太大意了，还是导游。我知道有去黄石徒步的游客被熊攻击直接拔枪把熊干死了的，都那种情况了不使用终极武力麻烦大了。

Jet

野外怼熊，CCW的九妹妹也不够了吧，要带上F大推荐的十妹妹才行？

noghsot

10mm。。。。。

bingmickey

双筒 发表于 2021-4-20 18:47
又到了贴那个经典熊喷告示牌的时候了。。。
[/img]

靠，熊根本不听建议啊

miqy

蒙大拿的导游会不带枪?这也是少见。

chevoodoo

我小时候，看到好多人进山里捡蘑菇找药材，都要带着几个很大的鞭炮，声音很响，说是用来吓阻狗熊的。

smartknife

Bear spray residue was found on Mock’s clothing, but officials could not determine to what extent he was able to use it against the bear.

X-PGH

smartknife 发表于 2021-4-21 04:08
Bear spray residue was found on Mock’s clothing, but officials could not determine to what extent h ...

人站在下风, 喷出去的被顶头风吹到自己身上了 ... 嗨!

smartknife

X-PGH 发表于 2021-4-21 03:30
人站在下风, 喷出去的被顶头风吹到自己身上了 ... 嗨!

我猜测：当他看到熊的时候，熊已经要攻击他，等他拿出熊喷，喷出来的时候，熊已经扑到他的身上了。这时候的熊喷对于发疯状态的熊已经没用了。

HKmaniac

今年运气好弄到21-22的熊票，终于可以去打熊了，看了这个肯定带10mm MP5防身了。干熊可能火力也要升级上300WM了

WCB

bingmickey 发表于 2021-4-20 23:32
靠，熊根本不听建议啊

关键一句：

“Grizzly bear shit has bells in it and smells like pepper.”

人得听啊。

Huntington

WCB 发表于 2021-4-21 07:30
关键一句：

“Grizzly bear shit has bells in it and smells like pepper.”

Grizzly喜欢辣椒，熊喷就像往自己身上抹点调料显得更可口了

wolflei

对付黑熊的最低弹药要求是啥？也是10mm?
虽然黑熊一般避开人，怕遇见带崽子的狠货。。。

WCB

Huntington 发表于 2021-4-21 12:17
Grizzly喜欢辣椒，熊喷就像往自己身上抹点调料显得更可口了

那是。可口的连衣服上的bells都一起吞下去了。

双筒

wolflei 发表于 2021-4-21 14:17
对付黑熊的最低弹药要求是啥？也是10mm?
虽然黑熊一般避开人，怕遇见带崽子的狠货。。。
...

网上很多共识是，黑熊体重不高，很多就两百来磅，跟我差不多，所以9毫米就可以搞定。。。

双筒

wolflei 发表于 2021-4-21 14:17
对付黑熊的最低弹药要求是啥？也是10mm?
虽然黑熊一般避开人，怕遇见带崽子的狠货。。。
...

2018年ammoland的这篇文章，搜集了37个用手枪对熊的自卫事件，成功率是97%。 所以网上道听途说什么用手枪打熊无异于自杀，打个黑熊都得至少多大多厉害的口径起步等等，还不如看看真实情况下用9毫米/40/45等常见口径的效果怎样。 我来引用几个一下常见这几个口径的总结（括号里是我的评论）：
--
We have found four cases where 9 mm pistols were used to defend against bears. All were successful. （4个里面有3个打的是grizzly bear 棕熊，我们知道棕熊比黑熊更大更凶，也更难打）

--
We have found three cases where .357 revolvers were used to defend against bears. Two were successful, one was unsuccessful. （成功的两个里有一个是棕熊，失败的那个也是棕熊，那人只开了一枪，擦破了熊的皮肤，然后就把头埋土里装死了。熊上来了就开吃）

--
We have found three cases where .40 caliber pistols were used to defend against bears. All were successful. （都是黑熊）

--
We have found one case where a 10 mm pistol was used to defend against a bear. It was successful. （棕熊）

--
We have found two cases where .41 magnum revolvers were used to defend against bears. Both were successful.

We have found twelve cases where .44 magnum revolvers were used to defend against bears. All were successful. （这俩口径我合一起来评论：毫无悬念，打不倒熊只能是没打中地方）

--
We have found four cases where .45 caliber pistols were used to defend against bears. All were successful. （三个是棕熊，慢慢腾腾的45ACP也并不差啊）
https://www.ammoland.com/2018/02 ... cidents-by-caliber/

waterline

不知道有没有人搜集熊喷defend against bears的cases，成功率是多少。这个导游的遭遇有可能是普遍现象也有可能是个别现象，还是要看数据说话，虽然我强烈支持所有公园都应该允许游客carry